From nobody Fri Jun 14 20:54:10 2024 X-Original-To: current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4W1BNN1M6Bz5PVVl for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net [65.75.216.6]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4W1BNM55ryz4XbR for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 45EKsBXp050541; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 45EKsARM050540; Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202406142054.45EKsARM050540@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: 14.1-R rc.conf/ifconfig netmask issue was really hard to figure out In-Reply-To: To: Mathieu Arnold Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) CC: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Lowell Gilbert , Poul-Henning Kamp , Michael Gmelin , Ronald Klop , current@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:10494, ipnet:65.75.216.0/23, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4W1BNM55ryz4XbR > On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 06:42:09AM GMT, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > "Poul-Henning Kamp" writes: > > > > > > > Defaulting to a /8 netmask for 192.168.x.y does not make *any* sense ever. > > > > > > Well, not in the last 30 years or so, anyway. > > > > No, never ever did /8 make since on 192.*.*.*, that has always been > > class C address space. > > I think what Poul-Henning meant is that 31 years ago, in 1993, classless > inter-domain routing (CIDR) was introduced by the IETF, and it rendered > "class"es of ip addresses obsoletes. > > So, class C address spaces has been dead for 31 years :-) NO! That is an incorrect interpretation of what CIDR does, CIDR did NOT remove the Class A/B/C applied to address space, it simply added functionality (supernetting and subnetting) of the A/B/C space that allows you to do things DIFFERENT than the default /8 /16 and /24 bit prefix length that classfull addresses implied. > -- > Mathieu Arnold -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org