From owner-freebsd-i18n Wed Sep 4 19:17:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D2437B400; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7763043E42; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@pobrecita.freebsd.ru) Received: from pobrecita.freebsd.ru (ache@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nagual.pp.ru (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g852Gsbq037452; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:16:55 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache@pobrecita.freebsd.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by pobrecita.freebsd.ru (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g852Gipx037451; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:16:45 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:16:42 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, Maxim Sobolev , anholt@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: koi8-r is obsoleted by koi8-u (Re: cvs commit: ports/x11-fonts/XFree86-4-fontCyrillic) Message-ID: <20020905021640.GA37309@nagual.pp.ru> References: <200209031042.g83AgFON078508@freefall.freebsd.org> <200209040841.45490@aldan> <20020904140410.GA30776@nagual.pp.ru> <200209041155.15033.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200209041155.15033.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 11:57:17 -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Can you name one scenario, where someone would knowingly prefer a koi8-r > font over a koi8-u one? In other words, some real application, that This is not subject of user preferences or user choice. If some program request koi8-r, it must get koi8-r back exactly, because it *may* use its special chars. It seems you don't undertsand compatibility issues. If koi8-r can be replaced, it can be replaced by Unicode only. > As I mentioned already, koi8-r is obsoleted by koi8-u, let's move on. I have no time to educate ignorant people, but as FreeBDS localization authority, I explicetely forbid any attempts to replace koi8-r with something less compatible (i.e. not by Unicode). Is it clear? > . Windows-1251 is hardly a standard > . It is not at all compatible with the things you say it > can replace (unlike koi8-u, which is hard to distinguish > from koi8-r) > . It does not provide any more letters over the koi8-u Windows-1251 is more suitable for modern Cyrillic typography needs then koi8-u. Lets move on, and replace obsoleted koi8-u not used anywhere. Missing rare letters are not valuable as typhography needs and can be replaced by other letters. Enough on this thread from me, see my second paragraph from above as my final statement. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message