From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Oct 19 18:34:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id SAA09008 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:34 -0700 Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09000 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:31 -0700 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA03804; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:24:45 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199510200124.SAA03804@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Bragging rights.. To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:24:45 -0700 (MST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, dennis@etinc.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199510200052.SAA15098@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Oct 19, 95 06:52:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1961 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > There is the small issue of what the telco charges . It costs me about > > $100/month to keep my 128kb ISDN Line up for the whole month and that > > includes my ISP v-site.net . > > > > So what do the telcos usually charge for a fraction of a T1? > > In the order of $500 depending how far away you are from your isp's > POP, plus another $1200 to $1600 to pay the provider (we're talking > 128kbps fractional t1.) Some telcos charge you for a full t1 even > if you only use a fraction of it. > > To bad I can't get ISDN at home for my FreeBSD machine =( =(. > (complain complain U.S. West) You don't want ISDN anyway. In most US West areas (yes, we know you have it better than the rest of us, Colorado!) they charge message unit charges over a certain usage limit, with tarrif provisions for reducing that usage limit to 0 at their option at some future date. This is done with the rationale that you are tying up switching equipment, which you wouldn't be tying up if you were using Frame Relay (packet switched) instead of ISDN (circuit switched) in the first place. The Telco's are hedging their bets, since they want to be able to meter your usage in the future (an unrealistic goal for Frame Relay), and so are really, really pushing ISDN. Consider that with no way to meter calls or destinations, the RBOC can't charge you for in state long distance, and the long distance carriers are reduced to charging the RBOC's based on the size of the pipe they have connected instead of based on who's calling who. A lot of the big LD carriers that are also backbone providers are blocking the usage of "Internet Phone" programs because of this, though they do it by blocking the circuit transport (IRC) arguing bandwidth... MCI and Sprint are prime examples. Makes you want to start your own phone company. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers.