From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 19 10:53:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9592A3475B8 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:53:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arne@Steinkamm.COM) Received: from mail.steinkamm.com (mail.steinkamm.com [194.127.175.194]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "steinkamm.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49pFyl3rKhz3drV for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:53:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arne@Steinkamm.COM) Received: from trajan.stk.cx (trajan.stk.cx [10.8.8.110]) by basis.steinkamm.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 05JArE1M004335 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from arne@steinkamm.com) Received: from trajan.stk.cx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trajan.stk.cx (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 05JArEHp038277 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from arne@trajan.stk.cx) Received: (from arne@localhost) by trajan.stk.cx (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 05JArEAv037826; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from arne) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:53:14 +0200 From: Arne Steinkamm To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: arne@steinkamm.com, Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MUAs we use Message-ID: <20200619105314.GI89652@trajan.stk.cx> Reply-To: arne@Steinkamm.COM References: <20200611175122.0e09b89e@archlinux> <20200619051347.GG89652@trajan.stk.cx> <20200619085531.30489733@archlinux> <20200619094146.GH89652@trajan.stk.cx> <20200619113347.605acd4f88b08b063b8286d0@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200619113347.605acd4f88b08b063b8286d0@sohara.org> User-Agent: Mutt@Trajan/1.12.1 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on basis.steinkamm.com X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49pFyl3rKhz3drV X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of arne@Steinkamm.COM has no SPF policy when checking 194.127.175.194) smtp.mailfrom=arne@Steinkamm.COM X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.73 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[arne@Steinkamm.COM]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[Steinkamm.COM]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.63)[0.625]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.04)[-0.036]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.940]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd-questions@Steinkamm.COM,arne@Steinkamm.COM]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34646, ipnet:194.127.175.0/24, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd-questions@Steinkamm.COM,arne@Steinkamm.COM]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:53:20 -0000 On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:33:47AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:41:46 +0200 > Arne Steinkamm wrote: > > > There is no single line containing a regexp matching anything like > > ^User-Agent:.*Claws etc. > > That's because Claws, like many MUAs sets X-Mailer but not > User-Agent. Yeah... I know.. There's a bunch of hints which MUA is used in header and body of the email... The User-Agent line is the most common one as my numbers proof. I just wanted to express how unhappy I'm with responses like that from Ralf Mardorf... But to add this: 3569 mails out of the 10828 I have uncompressed online on disk have a x-mailer line. 688 from them indicate claws. .//. Arne -- Arne Steinkamm | Home: Mail: arnesteinkammcom