From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 18 01:36:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E98E106566C for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EF98FC15 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE919.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.233.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pAI1ath8059645; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:36:56 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pAI1ags6012716; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 02:36:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pAI1aUYg039671; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:36:36 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201111180136.pAI1aUYg039671@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Dan The Man From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:37:32 CST." Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 02:36:30 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spamcop abuse of power X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:36:59 -0000 Reference: > From: Dan The Man > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:37:32 -0600 (CST) Dan The Man wrote: > > Today I had an unhappy unix student try to submit an assignment to me and > could not. Spamcop has decided to go off blacklisting all yahoo/shaw etc > servers worldwide. > > Example Solution Postfix: > remove: reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net > from your smtpd_recipient_restrictions line until they fix their abuse > issues. Better not dump Spamcop, Better let people dump Yahoo. Yahoo deserve grief since they abandoned their abuse@ address some time back. Yahoo make money hosting email, some inevitably spammers, but when innocent domain admin recipients (inc. me) forward spam from Yahoo customers back to abuse@Yahoo, Yahoo toss it back demanding we work unpaid for Yahoo, analaysing their spam & filling a Yahoo web form. I'm an unpaid admin, & Yahoo wastes my time. I recall Yahoo laid off some admins a while after they abandoned abuse@, offloading spam processing on innocent recipients must have helped reduce their business. Though latest RFC may no longer require an abuse@ address, & might consider an http: form acceptable, who but a commercial ISP's lobbyist would consider that transfer & imposition of work from polluting transmitter domain to innocent recioient domain as fair ? From a paid profiting commercial ISP source of the spam, paid to work, to instead burden innocent admins, some of whom arent even paid to admin. BTW One can still forward spam back to postmaster@yahoo, (eg after it bounces from abuse@) (prob cos if no postmaster@ they'd be in breach of RFCs , another reason to block). Yahoo then don't just send "We zapped that spammer account" responses - Yahoo send questionaires to consume more of your time. Yahoo need disciplining. Spamcop does not report blocked @ Fri Nov 18 02:10:40 CET 2011 http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=212.82.109.132 Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.