From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 1 06:34:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BE1065672 for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBD58FC2B for ; Tue, 1 May 2012 06:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dadz14 with SMTP id z14so981341dad.17 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:34:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=F525r70QxXT8U2UrXGQ4RTYJGcpzp+nbTjBCO3zT1I0=; b=A6H8IvWyW0+Mx4yKGMDcI6sVfSIoRGB3zd+kxAg9Vrsx/BeXBsYHi9tj7RjEo85lSE bqkI3EPj9MvWKnUdkKMIRKv4Tc22ScbItmmnk1CiPcqwTmAeABfcao9GYmOemp+Xrb3L +Y4QDJdKpVgeGzYG16KwJgDyTQr/RVQwjGXfQvbILRQjs33cgb+cHtb7S8YTWOhfAUz6 QyMKoMklzzju71iow+WmcLBh3m78VE/yuhGdJAk9pf02VC1PFkhhR6qXTO9FNZiMy+VU cJGfJyNvdmBmPF8rKtVGFWsaZRd9Ug8DkBRkxi6QYC9arWtHHZkzRMdjF7hBpA9RPNxg gk7Q== Received: by 10.68.227.134 with SMTP id sa6mr40903836pbc.101.1335854043409; Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fuji.netgear.com ([50.125.30.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm18357308pbw.57.2012.04.30.23.34.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 23:34:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <092518C9B5214244805F7D2022A4F663@multiplay.co.uk> <1168656383.74335.1335567528359.JavaMail.root@erie.cs.uoguelph.ca> <5E0882E0-405F-46AC-9290-8A195FECD2F4@gmail.com> <74720B93-61ED-4CA4-88C1-173356742F3A@gmail.com> To: Wojciech Puchar X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: Rick Macklem , Jerry McAllister , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Mehmet Erol Sanliturk , Steven Hartland , Andy Young , Chris Rees Subject: Re: Ways to promote FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 06:34:04 -0000 On Apr 30, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Advertising that it exists and is used is more important than = saying "x sucks, use y instead". This is the tone I was getting from the = previous response and this is what I discourage as well as others on the = list. >=20 > It was just an example. I don't use FreeBSD because Oracle Solaris = sucks but because it works best for me. No other unix not only is as = fast but allows so easy tuning like compiling own kernel and configuring = things. >=20 > What do you prefer - few files in /etc, like rc.conf to configure = almost everything in base system (+starting installed ports), or = thousands of files in modern "linux distro" or oracle solaris? >=20 > Sorry but when i HAD to deal with linux i just deleted most of /etc = and write my own /etc/rc. Joe user, students, etc really don't care about the underlying system as = long as the GUIs obscure this. OSX is a prime example of this (the OSX = CLI has sucked for a long time). Only sysadmin and CLI power users care = how things like this are organized. I think this is the usability boat = that's been missed for a while on *nix. > Solaris 11 was just an example of overadvertised things that are just = useless. Linux is "trendy" and quality is second thing, but it had to = be everywhere including things that should not have OS at all, like VoIP = gateway. Sun isn't Oracle, so I don't expect them to put forth a decent general = purpose OS offering. As far as Linux is concerned, in some ways it's = good Linux has become a niche OS, and in some ways it's bad, but you = can't take back the fact that it is what it is right now. Thanks, -Garrett=