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Date:      Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:22:39 -0800
From:      Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
To:        Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
Cc:        Lev Serebryakov <lev@freebsd.org>, Paul Allen <nospam@ugcs.caltech.edu>, Robert Watson <rwatson@freebsd.org>, current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: KSE, libpthread & libthr: almost newbie question
Message-ID:  <45458C1F.5000006@elischer.org>
In-Reply-To: <4544D4FC.4070201@samsco.org>
References:  <917908193.20061027102647@serebryakov.spb.ru>	<20061027103924.F79313@fledge.watson.org>	<45426071.7020403@elischer.org>	<602423478.20061028001449@serebryakov.spb.ru>	<4542896D.1050001@elischer.org>	<20061027231642.GJ30707@riyal.ugcs.caltech.edu>	<45429703.8070305@elischer.org>	<20061028104741.Q69980@fledge.watson.org>	<45442A35.2030803@elischer.org>	<20061029090309.T27107@fledge.watson.org> <4544D4FC.4070201@samsco.org>

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Scott Long wrote:
> Robert Watson wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Julian Elischer wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Watson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Julian Elischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> there is class of problems (e.g. some java programs) that have 
>>>>> THOUSANDS of threads, each representing an active aspect of some 
>>>>> object. How do you put an rlimit on that without either 1/ stopping 
>>>>> the program from working or 2/ allowing thousands of threads to 
>>>>> exist but not screwing other users.
>>>>
>>>> Does the JVM actually expose thousands of threads to the OS, or does 
>>>> it actually do its own M:N threading internally based on its 
>>>> execution model? My impression is the latter, exposing threads to 
>>>> the OS only when it needs them to consume kernel or CPU resources.
>>>
>>> I don't know the answer to that question, only that there is a class 
>>> of program style that uses this model.
>>
>> FYI, last night following comments about the change away "green 
>> threads", I ran some simple tests with the 1.4.2 JVM.  It appears 
>> that, at least in my simple test cases, all threads created in the JVM 
>> are exposed to the OS. Typically this appears to be about n+8 to n+9 
>> threads, where n is the number of threads created by the application 
>> itself, and 8/9 is the number created by the JVM.  I assume the 
>> variance of one is likely the garbage collector kicking in every now 
>> and then (or something along those lines).
>>
> 
> This is correct.  The JVM maps all threads directly into the native 
> threading mechanism provided by the OS.  'Green threads' have been 
> defunct since Java 1.3, and no other magic happens behind the scenes.
> 

so, why does it use 1:1 threads?
who knows what the thinking here was?

> Scott
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