Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:45:02 -0400 From: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net> To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dhcpcd(8) into FreeBSD base Message-ID: <d4b7b13b-b5ca-48a3-8105-73a8b02511a9@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org> References: <e401671f-6a67-49ed-bc41-e8fbb9de27cb@www.fastmail.com> <CAPyFy2BackF0FshyjfV6qoOoJjFqiqcu%2BVxx9X_%2BRHpepOXTsw@mail.gmail.com> <18ff2d4772a.129dde187836962.5411001908566459400@marples.name> <bf3f1d62-70bb-4191-82ae-d8c9358d0b47@denninger.net> <79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2025 21:29, Zhenlei Huang
wrote:<br class=3D"">
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cite=3D"mid:79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org">
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<div class=3D"">On Jun 19, 2025, at 6:00 AM, Karl Denninger <=
;<a
href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net"
class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">ka=
rl@denninger.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p class=3D"">Resurrecting an older thread....</p>
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<div><br class=3D"">
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Can you please point me to the thread ? I'd like to gather more
context from that.<br class=3D"">
</div>
</blockquote>
It was under this title; should be in the archives from June of last
year.
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org">
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"">I have Kub Fiber here and have run into an
interesting problem I've not seen on anything else (this
same config, absent dhcpcd but on the stock FreeBSD
config, worked fine on both Cox and Spectrum without
changes.)</p>
<p class=3D"">On a=C2=A0<b class=3D""><u class=3D"">first u=
se</u></b>=C2=A0dhcpcd
gets both IPv4 and IPv6 addresses,=C2=A0<i class=3D"">but=
=C2=A0</i>sometimes
the IPv4 side fails to be able to ARP (!!!!) the other
end.=C2=A0 If I drop the interface (ifconfig ix0 down;
ifconfig ix0 up) it=C2=A0<i class=3D"">never=C2=A0</i>fai=
ls on the
second try.=C2=A0 If it fails on the first try doing a "a=
rp
-d" on the other end=C2=A0<i class=3D"">resolves nothing;=
=C2=A0</i>only
recycling the interface does.=C2=A0 Once it comes up its =
100%
stable and=C2=A0<i class=3D"">never=C2=A0</i>drops it.=C2=
=A0 Obviously
with no arp for the other end you get nothing (in either
direction.)</p>
<p class=3D"">That I can handle (but its damned annoying)
with a script that checks connection to the other side
and, if it can't get anything, does the above.</p>
<p class=3D"">The=C2=A0<i class=3D"">more serious=C2=A0</i>=
problem is
with Ipv6.=C2=A0 If I shut down my gear (<b class=3D""><u=
class=3D"">and</u></b>=C2=A0the company's ONT) and th=
en
turn the power back on (say, because I need to work on
the UPS in my rack!)=C2=A0<i class=3D"">it will come back=
up on
IpV4 but never gets an answer to the SOLICIT
response.=C2=A0=C2=A0</i>It also never sees anything fr=
om the
neighbor request!</p>
<p class=3D"">In other words ("tcpdump -i ip6 ix0"):</p>
<p class=3D"">14:42:25.301564 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8=
> ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation,
who has fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"=
">
14:42:30.573650 IP6 fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894 >
ff02::2: ICMP6, router solicitation, length 16<br
class=3D"">
14:42:31.594474 IP6
fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894.dhcpv6-client >
ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: dhcp6 solicit<br class=3D"">
14:42:32.690063 IP6
fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894.dhcpv6-client >
ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: dhcp6 solicit<br class=3D"">
14:42:34.506030 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:34.574904 IP6 fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894 >
ff02::2: ICMP6, router solicitation, length 16<br
class=3D"">
14:42:34.764176 IP6
fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894.dhcpv6-client >
ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: dhcp6 solicit<br class=3D"">
14:42:35.501814 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:35.934710 IP6 2a06:4880:4000::68.53490 >
2606:83c0:8000:ff00:ba27:ebff:fe39:701d.4567: Flags [S],
seq 605251823, win 14600, options [mss 1440], length 0<br=
class=3D"">
14:42:36.509588 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:38.580627 IP6 fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894 >
ff02::2: ICMP6, router solicitation, length 16<br
class=3D"">
14:42:38.732812 IP6
fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894.dhcpv6-client >
ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: dhcp6 solicit<br class=3D"">
14:42:40.337515 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:41.321509 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:42.329737 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:42.595011 IP6 fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894 >
ff02::2: ICMP6, router solicitation, length 16<br
class=3D"">
14:42:44.782492 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:45.749503 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:46.745515 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:47.109267 IP6
fe80::2e0:b4ff:fe68:f894.dhcpv6-client >
ff02::1:2.dhcpv6-server: dhcp6 solicit<br class=3D"">
14:42:48.809742 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:49.805572 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32<br class=3D"">
14:42:50.801697 IP6 fe80::3a94:edff:fe47:f2f8 >
ff02::1:ff0b:946d: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has
fe80::6a22:8e00:c80b:946d, length 32</p>
<p class=3D""><b class=3D"">The interface is up and is pass=
ing
Ip4 traffic.</b></p>
<p class=3D"">And even=C2=A0<i class=3D"">more odd=C2=A0</i=
>I get this
once in a while:</p>
<p class=3D"">14:45:26.688858 IP6 <a
href=3D"http://enviable.census.internet-measurement.com=
"
class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">enviable.census.int=
ernet-measurement.com</a>.53565
> 2606:83c0:8600::10c.58222: Flags [S], seq
3619826346, win 14600, options [mss 1440], length 0<br
class=3D"">
14:45:26.696834 IP6 <a
href=3D"http://stupendous.census.internet-measurement.com" class=3D""
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">stupendous.census.internet-mea=
surement.com</a>.53321
> 2606:83c0:8600::10c.rsf-1: Flags [S], seq
3940102705, win 14600, options [mss 1440], length 0</p>
<p class=3D"">The prefix IS part of the provider's
delegation but I have no IPv6 address so I have=C2=A0<i
class=3D"">absolutely no idea=C2=A0</i>how they think r=
outing
that to me is reasonable -- but they do.</p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div>For unwanted IPv6 packets, the net stack should drop them
silently, and fundamentally=C2=A0<span
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
class=3D"">you</span>=C2=A0can NOT prevent your provider from=
sending them. =C2=A0Also be aware that tcpdump(1) by default tu=
rns
the interface into promisc mode.=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>I understand that, but their infrastructure should not be sending
them.=C2=A0 It is.=C2=A0 But its only a few packets here and there,=
which
implies rather-strongly it was aimed at the former (valid) address
I had and not something else in their infrastructure -- I think.=C2=
=A0
The prefix is correct (at least) but I don't know what my end
actually got for the final octets since it was before I turned the
power off.</p>
<p>They hand out a /56 for IPv6.</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<p class=3D"">They're pointing at "my gear" as I'm not usin=
g
their router.=C2=A0 Uh, yeah, ok.=C2=A0 Its not hardware =
-- the
same thing happens on a pcEngines box with two "igb"
interfaces, a "cube" box that has two "re" interfaces
and my current box (which I want to keep using) that has
two SFP+ interfaces that come up on the "ix" driver.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0<i
class=3D"">All behave exactly the same way.</i></p>
<p class=3D"">If I call and bitch they reset=C2=A0<i class=3D=
"">everything=C2=A0</i>on
their end and it comes up -- once and from there its
stable.=C2=A0 But if I take a power hit beyond my UPS's
capacity, well, it'll happen again.</p>
<p class=3D"">I see absolutely nothing in tcpdump that
implies there's a problem, other than that when this
happens they never answer <i class=3D"">anything=C2=A0</i=
>I
send them.=C2=A0 They claim their dhcp6 server has locked=
out
my MAC due to "invalid" things they're seeing from me.</p=
>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>Do ( can ) they provide the details of the "invalid" things
? I'm recently=C2=A0overhauling the attaching process of
interfaces. For ethernet interfaces, there're rare races that
the driver see un-initialized link-layer address (
00:00:00:00:00:00 ) or incomplete=C2=A0<span
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
class=3D"">link-layer address ( occurs when renaming the
interface )=C2=A0</span>. So I'm curious what "invalid" thing=
s
your provider sees.</div>
<div><br class=3D"">
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p>Well not so sure on that.=C2=A0 I've asked, and will continue to, =
but
they haven't said exactly <b><u>what</u></b>=C2=A0got their end
big-mad.=C2=A0 But whatever it is they're getting it makes their IP=
v6
DHCP server angry enough that it locks my connection out once they
see it.=C2=A0 To clear it they clear the provisioning which resets =
BOTH
IPv4 and V6 assignments so whatever they're clearing it looks to
me like they're resetting all their provisioning for my service,
including (probably) the ONT configuration that they send down to
their box here.</p>
<p>I have a theory however which might be involved after going back
through the last time --=C2=A0 I had not shut off ipv4ll; if the
interface comes up, their DHCP server is slow, my end sends a
request and gets no immediate reply dhcpcd will try to configure a
link-local address on that interface=C2=A0<i>and then attempt to AR=
P
the address across that interface to confirm its not in use.</i>=C2=
=A0
If they see=C2=A0<b><u>that</u></b>, which is of course non-routeab=
le
and their system says "oh no you don't!" and instead of just
throwing it out they lock out that source as attempted
game-playing well.... that could certainly be it.=C2=A0 Then the
solicitation never gets anywhere because the blackball is on the
ONT's address as the "rogue" source (its a FTTH setup with optical
splitters and an ONT at my premises that feeds a standard gigabit
ethernet out the back of it to my gear.)</p>
<p>I've turned that option off (and set noarp) and will see if it
happens again but since they're playing a bit coy with me I am
loathe to just yank the cord out of their ONT and reset it without
knowing that this MIGHT be involved lest I find myself with no
IPv6 again (and have to go through their call center and such.)=C2=A0=
Of course that will eventually happen because eventually I've have
to take things down or there will be an extended power outage that
exceeds what my UPS can hold things up for (or a fiber cut, or
problem on their end that causes a reset on the connection, etc.)</=
p>
<p>I used to be on cable service and had no problems with this; the
cable companies (two of them over the years with various hardware
but this same basic software load, although its been updated
several times over the years as FreeBSD has advanced) were either
fast enough that it never tried for link-local or didn't care --
and the default of dhcpcd IS to try to use it temporarily at least
if the DHCP server doesn't reply right away.</p>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:79909EDE-CFB2-45E9-8DC0-E042704908B4@FreeBSD.org"><br
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Zhenlei</div>
</div>
<br class=3D"">
</blockquote>
<div class=3D"moz-signature">-- <br>
Karl Denninger<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:karl@denninger.net" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetex=
t">karl@denninger.net</a><br>
<i>The Market Ticker</i><br>
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