From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Tue Jun 7 14:06:12 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F95B6EE45 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029C11DE7 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 01F5FB6EE44; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01991B6EE43 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22f.google.com (mail-wm0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B7ED1DE6; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:06:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id r5so9258035wmr.0; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 07:06:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=lzf0DOerhwZ8eecRJBbL7pvVcXXTPFrLE1J2zn9FxfA=; b=0JadDkN1WXkIFwS9BfDJgag3IIAd2hAMsRkZlJ6kivLsnCHe3MG4jUl7cDQxYptO24 ZFNuWjhTO2TdJnrlou58HothsocIAXiASTHSPupPP1sv/AQrZqek66oiHDtblhWyMjAr c1OYmAilQWRNcy2qjildxBaCEU3XW0WPhAhjqaubT6HJDEi8K9xToQyKWBhXeYgLceA4 IPf+dKw6RF2TxrC5pzcD2CQa7kXtQpcqHb8O67gWg5zMs/UKD1c/G1tQ+3Zq/IbtPIWh 2nK/eB6YYz6YQXOTRJspvJ9+HdguAgBbyva/7KxOmMAIqc3lfPpTRQ7WBhyHM5I3qbX4 oF2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lzf0DOerhwZ8eecRJBbL7pvVcXXTPFrLE1J2zn9FxfA=; b=QcTsNGKRNke+6Lq9UQvqBVKClTNQCzqJzaYueDijucvUe5eSaxlIC7YmWqYZEV7AJg qZLhI5UEgAZNfxN10OCjc0yQNfX0oHx7Y1nU28O6CIDFG9J5dLRdLLqmzIBqdf/oDco5 NRBqwAw8dakiODvUA3fx2WKHOeq7nCfbed+yuDHSHqYwOm6dJSpksYrZSudbzSBvHxL8 SZ3hId0qTCF2WUPNhbNXbNOQ3cU3/eMpnUdte85B4xkMiZUQuhcYYt7e3ODxsD1hNzMW vfGpgN/qXwisfBe92N4DBo/oyjiENe80S9mPY7ww6BIvYMe0b4T3RmY8E3qHMO/T0Xs3 xPmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIqvybsyyZCruVf+CHuGc9fpSpWPz0Ih6bakX1CXLvik3Itvw3xXNqSIHc2fIgFUsYjK3qMPhIYNf8fRA== X-Received: by 10.194.74.104 with SMTP id s8mr10234713wjv.20.1465308370067; Tue, 07 Jun 2016 07:06:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.6.12 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jun 2016 07:06:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160603191523.GE75630@zxy.spb.ru> <44y46ie92p.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <20160606135018.GL75630@zxy.spb.ru> <20160607084733.GM75630@zxy.spb.ru> <20160607104335.GN75630@zxy.spb.ru> <1465306172.1188.24.camel@freebsd.org> <20160607133238.GO75630@zxy.spb.ru> From: krad Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:06:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: unbound and ntp issuse To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: Ian Lepore , "stable@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 14:06:12 -0000 running this at boot time may help as well unbound-control set_option val-permissive-mode: yes then after ntpd has started up run this unbound-control set_option val-permissive-mode: no Yes work around's, but work around's work by definition. On 7 June 2016 at 15:00, krad wrote: > it's a non solvable problem though as its a deadlock. You have to remove > one of the criteria in order to fix the issue automatically. > > On 7 June 2016 at 14:32, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 07:29:32AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2016-06-07 at 12:10 +0100, krad wrote: >> > > whops that should be >> > > >> > > ntpdate_hosts not servers >> > > >> > >> > These suggestions are essentially insane because they're ignoring the >> > basic fact that the freebsd installer creates a non-working system. If >> > unbound requires DNSSEC, and DNSSEC requires good time, and good time >> > requires hostname resolution, then that circular dependency is a >> > problem that the freebsd project needs to fix, not something to be >> > hacked around by each individual sysadmin. >> >> Exactly! This is may point! >> >> > It is a bit disturbing to me that the project members who created this >> > situation have been silent in the face of *months* of reporting of it >> > by several different users. >> > >