From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 22:53:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AAE116A417 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out3.apple.com (mail-out3.apple.com [17.254.13.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54E713C48D for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:53:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay7.apple.com (relay7.apple.com [17.128.113.37]) by mail-out3.apple.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7677BE1D0BA; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay7.apple.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by relay7.apple.com (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 63B62300DB; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807125-a3a21bb0000007e5-30-46bb9aec8e9c Received: from [17.214.13.96] (cswiger1.apple.com [17.214.13.96]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with ESMTP id 4EA3B30047; Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> References: <46BA9682.7020203@ix.netcom.com> <20070809140617.GB10705@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <20070809185248.J71656@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20070809173032.GB12072@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> <46BB4FE0.5060500@cs.okstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Swiger Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:53:31 -0700 To: Reid Linnemann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Convince me, please! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:53:33 -0000 On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Reid Linnemann wrote: > Written by David Kelly on 08/09/07 12:30>> >> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 06:54:37PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> For the best user experience, and Unix too: MacOS X. >>> a very little unix (few tools and kernel) + lots of bulky >>> overhead ... >> >> Try it, you will find otherwise. The user interface works without >> hassle. MacOS X comes with more standard utilities than does FreeBSD, >> for instance procmail, fetchmail, sqlite3, Apache, php 4.4.7, ... > > Not that I'm against your argument that OS X is a good system, but > since when are 3rd party services standard utilities? When they ship with the system and when you can get security patches for them from the vendor. Things like BIND and sendmail are 3rd party services which ship standard with FreeBSD, although you do have knobs to not build them if you don't want them. Likewise, you don't have to install the OS X Server utilities or run a mailserver/webserver/etc if you don't want to. -- -Chuck