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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g21sm5378049qkm.35.2020.06.19.04.20.22 for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49pGYx64Htz1TqJ for <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>; Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:20:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.3 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:20:02 -0400 From: Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Update 11.3 > 11.4 Message-ID: <20200619072002.4179e527@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXmSvj7gb_-s1nbCtWhAwFC49dSTG01v=jy9Whv3_WEXGw@mail.gmail.com> References: <20200617134146.00004ce8@seibercom.net> <CAGBxaXmN0wAhZq36H7y7H8f2qnCrjFyos9vPf_em47KCL2TvLA@mail.gmail.com> <20200617165853.000070ca@seibercom.net> <CAGBxaXn-WzZ_J8Ec=FaetqF-p4=dZtWU=b1rgipvs8MD0wsEjA@mail.gmail.com> <20200617195705.000069f0@seibercom.net> <CAGBxaXkvj6aMQeQ2mScsB6VsGye-Y+Z7WDp=q48uS6uCZ2vrVg@mail.gmail.com> <20200618071456.00004fdd@seibercom.net> <20200618134732.48b4c316.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200618083645.00001afc@seibercom.net> <CAGBxaX=nNL8VuM6bsdHjoVWxYZKF5hE3NDjrCUjdAT=y2kj5LA@mail.gmail.com> <941386f3-ce71-6cf6-005c-ab9c159ce998@heuristicsystems.com.au> <20200618184438.00003f41@seibercom.net> <CAGBxaXmSvj7gb_-s1nbCtWhAwFC49dSTG01v=jy9Whv3_WEXGw@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/wFc6agEW2LjZeP2/ljr0XX9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49pGZ22T1yz3g0K X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=f2G5Zcg0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::841 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.77 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.929]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.944]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.25)[0.247]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::841:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions <freebsd-questions.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>, <mailto:freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:20:27 -0000 --Sig_/wFc6agEW2LjZeP2/ljr0XX9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 18:55:24 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jerry <jerry@seibercom.net> wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:19:12 +1000, Dewayne Geraghty commented: =20 >> >Jerry, >> > >> >Aryeh's suggestion of determining the cause of the problem would be >> >beneficial as the PR >> >https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D237666 >> >appears to be caught in a non-reproducability trap. Eg "I have an X >> >on version Y and no bug" will not allay anyone's concerns. >> > >> >Also reply 103 asserts that this problem doesn't exist on 11 (ie >> >prior to 11.4). Perhaps pulling the iso's for 11.4 and using on a >> >machine that reproduces the bug with 12.1 might be a more efficient >> >path? =20 >> >> It doesn't exist on 11.x at ll. If you read through the comments, >> etcetera, it was mentioned that it is most likely a regression >> problem. Regression bugs have a nasty habit of spreading. >> =20 > >Especially if people refuse to actual test it to see if it is a bug or >not on their system. Since it is not on mine my test is meaningless >but your might not be and might help debug it so if you care about >helping the community like you do you should try it and make a >complete bug report as possible. But as I said it happens in enough >odd different places that it is 90% likely user error not an actual >bug and you just falling for FUD if you are not willing to help figure >it out. I can confirm that the bug exists on at least a Dell XPS 8930 with 32 GB RAM and Intel i3 Processor. The machine was purchased as a low-end replacement for a PC that was dying. Its sole purpose was to run a lightly used web-server and mail-server. I can confirm that it works with every version of 11.x and no versions of 12.x. I have never tested it on 10.x or 13.x however. I have went to the lengths of using the manufacturers disk to erase and format the HD and resetting the BIOS to defaults. I never messed with the defaults anyway. The error starts as soon as the CD attempts to boot-up FreeBSD 12.x. Assuming, incorrectly, that the disk was bad I did a fresh download and burned a new CD. The sane problem existed. This is not a user error. More than one person on more than one platform is experiencing this bug. I contacted Dell technical support. They confirmed that the bug exists, there is even a reference to it on their community bulletin board. They went on to say that their product was tested against Windows 10 and passed,(obviously) and against Linux and worked as intended. They stated that they DO NOT test against or guarantee their products will work with FreeBSD. They were also aware that a bug report had been filed against it in the FreeBSD Bugzilla. I really wish I had been made aware of it too. I made the suggestion that they list OSs that their equipment will not work with. They nicely stated that an operation of that extent would be beyond the scope of their technical department since their are potentially hundreds of thousands of individual configurations. I suggested that they test against a base OS installation, but they declined saying they do not test against FreeBSD. They would welcome me doing it though. Since they declined to supply me with their equipment free of charge to undertake this endeavor, I declined. The saying, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem", is certainly apropos to you in this incident. =20 >> >Hans is clearly doing his best to address the issue but needs >> >helpful information from our active community. =20 >> >> This bug has existed since at least 2019-04-30 04:22:45 EDT when it >> was first reported. >> =20 >> >Regards, Dewayne =20 --=20 Jerry --Sig_/wFc6agEW2LjZeP2/ljr0XX9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl7sn2IACgkQOHMGOIfe xWTtbggAtk7qPVJmGzFYEo3p5yqwyY7JH//HsNKrZwK/S+HVPQHMTVps7/iMCDPf WcHTZBK8KBvWem2Q2NVpJJqPW+EPa1wVGUjMvK0WW3gTCZyXt+lMtmb1gXWnKBp3 oQl1Z0BCLE3THo90OejdOM6Bh+z3pQn9Zdd1UFsDlKBnW0OuTOPag6GMn35YlJ+S pb+p5VeXkulsTTXY7dwIc4bt0uXTNKRgDbB9efUm+VHQKVzh3Z+4EEMYZEm3Mak8 9gHMk+s6itYwWkzuiJ/fQjyTt1SKWOqrI6hZbFS7I356HrJwLiCqAnNSJL0sDR2W DYUoY1UeN10Hryu1xj99EivCBXPjVQ== =FYay -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/wFc6agEW2LjZeP2/ljr0XX9--