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Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:15:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: laptops To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20210216134229.773fde3d@dismail.de> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:15:46 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dg9mx527Qz3CPy X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=EXVm/elN; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=Wbl2NSJY; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 66.111.4.221 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.221:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip4:66.111.4.221:c]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; 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I like >> to buy Thinkpad W541 or W550s (prefer W541) but I am not sure if will >> work on FreeBSD. I want it to connect external monitor which going >> through Nvidia graphics card which Optimus driver supposed it works on >> FreeBSD 13. I found that installation works on W520 and 530. > I have a different Thinkpad with Optimus graphics - a P43s.  It mostly > works, but have been pretty underwhelmed by the hybrid graphics of > Optimus systems.  Not just with FreeBSD, but from what I gather its > suboptimal on Linux as well. > > To get it working on FreeBSD there is an open PR* that gets things > working, and I can drive specific apps with the Nvidia GPU (via the > "optirun" binary).  But there is a bit of level of effort getting it to > work until we can get this PR over the finish line since I maintain a > branch of the ports tree to just support the diffs in this PR. > > One other issue I have is with the overall design of the Optimus design, > the GPU is used to offload processing but the display is still driven by > the Intel i915 GPU.  Depending on your use-case this may lead to reduced > performance.  All in all I am very happy with this thinkpad, but if I > had a choice I would have chosen a system with dedicated Nvidia or i915 > GPU's rather than this hybrid approach. I do not know what exactly "optimus" is, but e.g. in P51 I can select either "hybrid graphics" (i915) or "discrete graphics" (nvidia quadro). With the latter, I had no issues connecting external display.