From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jul 3 5:36:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430DB37B40D for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 15HPQ0-000Njg-00; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:36:40 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f63Cadh36473; Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:36:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:36:39 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this reasoning? Message-ID: <20010703133639.E35349@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010630174743.A85268@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3B41B4A9.F95FE1FF@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3B41B4A9.F95FE1FF@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 05:03:53AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | The problem is that it's not a commons unless it is | egalitarian in permitting everyone equal rights to it; | the GPL fails this test, since you can not use it in | a commercial product, unless you "pay" with your source | code that you add. Ah, good point. | I've seen people suggest that reference implementations | should be GPL'ed before, as well. The problem with that | approach is that unless the reference work can be used | in a product, it will not drive a standard. For products What about ReiserFS, JFS, and the recently released IBM Java source code for it's servers? I forget the details behind the IBM server,but several companies have done this: "Here OS community, work on this" or "Here is our top-secret code, play with it all you want, but we keep the results." | funding is drawn: corporations. I was really very | disappointed with the NSA security extensions to Linux, | since it made the code inherently a derivative work of | the Linux kernel, and thus GPL'ed. I can almost understand Mundie's tirade, at least on this specific point, that public funds were used to develop something that cannot be used commercially. Well, it *can* but it cannot be enhanced without giving back. | nature". I think most of these people should have waited | until they had at least two years of college under their | belts before they were permitted to read "Atlas Shrugged": I only read the post-apocalyptic book she wrote. I forget the name, but it was similar to '1984' but with stronger individual vs society overtones. It was the inspiration (or one of them, I believe) for Rush's 2112 album of the same theme. | they don't seem to understand that the characters in the | book aren't real, and are actually charactricures, in the | same way as Socialist government paintings of Stalin, | looking up and into the future. I had the opportunity to study Russian when I was a kid, and one of the genuine Russian school books was fascinating. It went from 'A is for Apple' to 'L is for Lenin' in about 20 pages. By then, the student was expected to be able to understand the political dissertation that followed just below the picture. :-) Jonathon -- Microsoft complaining about the source license used by Linux is like the event horizon calling the kettle black. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message