From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 6 23:53:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EF8933; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A12D2962; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.31]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rA6NrURr016308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:53:30 -0600 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com ([169.254.1.152]) by LTCFISWMSGHT03.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.31]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:53:28 -0600 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Glen Barber Subject: Re: [Review] bsdconfig pkgng integration Thread-Topic: [Review] bsdconfig pkgng integration Thread-Index: AQHO2x6RJrucrqXds0+MgGctNGb1Bg== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 23:53:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <527ACA8E.7010301@allanjude.com> <21C1BAD8-DC2F-4338-9AE5-28B28B64C933@fisglobal.com> <527ACE7B.6090002@allanjude.com> <20131106233218.GF1761@glenbarber.us> <39DE2EDF-69F3-43C5-AEDE-7A5399AC2859@fisglobal.com> <20131106234417.GG1761@glenbarber.us> In-Reply-To: <20131106234417.GG1761@glenbarber.us> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.120] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_07B96880-1419-469D-AE65-0F4988446B35"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-06_06:2013-11-06,2013-11-06,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Devin Teske , "Teske, Devin" , " Current" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 23:53:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_07B96880-1419-469D-AE65-0F4988446B35 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:44 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 11:37:43PM +0000, Teske, Devin wrote: >>> You do not need to show any servers except pkg.FreeBSD.org. >>=20 >> Bapt *just* got finished telling me in IRC that we should also list: >>=20 >> pkg.eu >> pkg.us-* >>=20 >=20 > Why? >=20 >> Which I assume to be the same make/model of pkg.f.o (does not >> return an A or AAAA but only SVR). >>=20 >=20 > And if we need to change something with the infrastructure, we now have > to tell people that this was done. You are putting hard-coded > limitations on us. Don't. >=20 I disagree. You're making the argument for "what if a CDN goes away". Well... people stop using that entry because it's broken and in the next re= lease you remove it. What sounds like a maintenance issue will actually save you support events. And for whatever hours that this proposed maintenance actually cost you, yo= u'll more than make up that in prevented support events. I'm talking about saving time (because we're all volunteers, right?) Let me be very explicit... > With a single entry (pkg.FreeBSD.org), we do not have to worry about > what is broken if (when) we need to change something. >=20 Let's say that the one entry doesn't do what you want (which requires trust= ing the CDN maintenance on the back-end)... You're telling me that it's more efficient to immediately defer every singl= e user to the support forums the moment there's a single hiccup in the ONE and ONLY CDN name that we're providing? Ok... but let's look at one alternative... If we listed more than one CDN, and one breaks... the wise and tenacious us= er simply ... tries another? But if there are no other choices... then you'll be headed strait to the fo= rums or mailing lists and generating what I call a "support event". I'm sorry, but I don't agree that listing only one single entry is going to= be beneficial to the end-user; only to the person that thinks having a single CDN to main= tain is going to actually save them work (which may only be true if they are not th= e ones that have to manage support events). --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. 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