From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jan 6 20: 0:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ind.alcatel.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49F715087; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:00:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com (mailhub [198.206.181.70]) by ind.alcatel.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (ind.alcatel.com 3.0 [OUT])) with SMTP id RAA12947; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:34:59 -0800 (PST) X-Origination-Site: Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA14368; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:34:59 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn1.utah.xylan.com [198.206.184.237]) by omni.xylan.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1 (Xylan engr [SPOOL])) with ESMTP id RAA21645; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:33:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3875437F.329C8A15@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:38:07 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Darren Reed , Steve Ames , committers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th References: <200001062325.PAA00710@mass.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > In some email I received from Steve Ames, sie wrote: > > > > > > *shudder* I really, really dislike the idea of -RELEASE actually being a > > > wide beta so that some code can get a workout. LAbel it beta and more people > > > will use it than currently do anyway. Any reason not to release and ship a > > > 4.0-beta? -CURRENT = development which scares people. Beta means most bugs > > > already ironed out and looking for test by larger audience. -RELEASE should > > > not be a beta, ever. > > > > What do you think 3.0-RELEASE was ? > > This seems to be how FreeBSD works now. > > It's how FreeBSD's users seem to want it to work, since they have utterly > refused to cooperate with any other arrangement. Those of us behind the > release-engineering effort have tried everything realistic that's been > suggested (and a great many other things); history speaks for itself as > to the results. Alpha, Beta, 4.0, are all just semantic labels anyhow. Every product, or at least every producer of software, develops their own terminology for how software is released to "customers." In the FreeBSD world, it has evolved that .0 means "ready to run, but not in production" and .1 or .2 means "now ready for prime time." While this may differ from whatever other system you are used to, it doesn't make it wrong, just different. Release 4.0 won't be a beta, it will just be a .0 release. Thank everyone that unlike most web browsers, we at least do >.0 releases. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message