From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 1 18:03:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643CD16A403 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:03:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (66-23-211-162.clients.speedfactory.net [66.23.211.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8DC43D68 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 18:03:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k41I360U019536; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:03:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:30:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <445581DE.50901@centtech.com> <20060501104840.GA55248@gothmog.pc> <4455FD95.3080001@centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <4455FD95.3080001@centtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605011330.03301.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.87.1/1433/Mon May 1 04:10:05 2006 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Luigi Rizzo , Alex Zbyslaw Subject: Re: Boot manager beep (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 18:03:26 -0000 On Monday 01 May 2006 08:22, Eric Anderson wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2006-05-01 03:29, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > >> On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:15:44PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > >> ... > >>> I'd certainly prefer it if the beep was turned *off* by default, > >>> but I'm not sure if that's what everyone prefers. This is why I > >>> opted for keeping the current behavior and making my personal > >>> preference an option :) > >> i do prefer it off. > >> and my laptop has no volume control available at boot. > >> many new laptops have everything in software, which means > >> very little controls available at boot time. > > > > I know the feeling. The lack of a control in my laptop was what > > initially prompted me to look at ways to turn it off :) > > Me too. I have no way to turn it off in the BIOS. > > Does having a beep at the boot prompt really help out those who are > visually impaired? Seem that there are 100 other hurdles that would > make that pretty much useless in the end. As far as headless booting, > the beep is nice, but could be an optional loader.conf tweak that > enables a kernel beep instead, right? I have lots of headless machines, > and a beep is barely heard over the roar of thousands of hard drives and > many tens of tons of AC rumbling. > > Maybe an alternate option is to compile both the beeping and a beepless > boot loader, and have the boot0cfg program install the right one > depending on a command line option? Hmm.. Maybe that's too cheesy.. It used to only beep for invalid input, but when someone was adding some other feature a while back they had to make the beep happen on startup as well due to size constraints. I'm not a fan of it either. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org