From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 3 16:56:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5F4106564A for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:56:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B89F8FC20 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:56:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4vq1i0020FhH24A74wWWV; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:56:30 +0000 Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org ([24.8.232.202]) by omta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id h4wV1i01c4NgCEG8U4wWws; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:56:30 +0000 Received: from [172.22.42.240] (revolution.hippie.lan [172.22.42.240]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q23GuSEF011743; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 09:56:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) From: Ian Lepore To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <4f525035.FeXsLHWGEs0tQIdS%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F513B2D.6010809@FreeBSD.org> <4F5148A7.4080408@FreeBSD.org> <4F51BDDA.3020602@hm.net.br> <4f525035.FeXsLHWGEs0tQIdS%perryh@pluto.rain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:56:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1330793788.10695.60.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 16:56:37 -0000 On Sat, 2012-03-03 at 09:09 -0800, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > H wrote: > > > ... Forever installing FreeBSD Desktop, either KDE or Gnome, > > was a nightmare process, or better, to make it appear on screen > > was a nightmare. > > I have never understood the point of KDE or Gnome, other than > (perhaps) as eye candy for the uninitiated. If I wanted a > Windows desktop, I would install Windows. If I wanted a Mac > desktop, I would use a Mac. I've been getting paid to develop software since 1975 -- I'm hardly what you would call "the uninitiated." I couldn't imagine working without a fully functional desktop environment. Look at a calendar, it's 2012. Maybe you long for a return to punch cards and fanfold greenbar paper, but I'm not going back there. It's exactly because I don't want a Windows or Mac desktop that I use gnome. (I used to be a Mac user, starting in the 80s, but Apple lost their way during their struggle to survive 10 years ago. Soon you won't be able to boot a Mac without an account at the iTunes store, and my last Mac will go into the e-cycle pile at that point.) -- Ian