From owner-freebsd-current Fri Dec 10 15:55:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FDD14CB0; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:55:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA07883; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:55:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Luoqi Chen , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired! In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Dec 1999 15:42:44 PST." Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 00:55:15 +0100 Message-ID: <7881.944870115@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Kris Ken naway writes: >No-one (as far as I can see) is objecting to making ata the default (which >it already is), and to kill wd in some number of weeks. Why can't you just >do that, and put and end to this discussion happily? Will a few weeks >really harm the development process? You overlook one simple thing here: If we want the ata driver tested, we need to make existing kernel configs break, otherwise people will not change them to use ata. We know this from bitter experience. The removal of wd has many discrete steps, but the first one is to make it clear to people that it is going away, this has been done by now I belive. The next thing is to break all the kernel configs, this has yet to happen, but it will happen real soon. This means that you have to really insist badly to make the wd driver work for you. Once we have established that the new driver doesn't leave a large number of people stranded it will be killed for good. What we need right NOW is for people to test the ata driver, and if it doesn't work, to debug as well as they can and report in excrutiating detail to sos so that he has a chance to analyze the problems. Just saying "It doesn't work for me" will simply not do. The more senior the person reporting, the more detail and quality information should be able to expect. Now, get back to work! -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message