From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:27:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5178A16A419 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF7913C465 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from mx.menantico.com ([71.188.11.206]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JT200EH9BDT9PD5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:17:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:27:06 -0500 From: Skip Ford In-reply-to: <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Mail-followup-to: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:38 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making > fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 > threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a > system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much > input as possible... And that's fine if that's how you prefer to work, but everyone's point is that it has nothing to do with the current ports system at all so the talk doesn't belong on a mailing list dedicated to the current ports system. It's just noise here. Research for a new system from ports@ users belongs on a list dedicated to the new system. > why is it that everyone who sees the whole > concept as being negative has offered no input what so ever about what > should be done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) You've been told over and over what should be done. You need a ports-ng wiki (or whatever you want to call your new system) and/or your own mailing list. Posting a single message occasionally on ports@ to point others to a new system in the works is perfectly fine, but using a mailing list dedicated to one system to develop another competing system isn't. If you need research from ports@ readers, you post a message pointing them elsewhere, you don't do it in a way that floods this list with 100+ messages. You've been given lots of sound advice on how to proceed and you've listened to none of it. You haven't heard what anyone has said thus far. Just start a wiki already like you've been told to do by those who already know exactly what they're doing, and aren't still trying to figure out how to figure out what it is they might want to do someday. -- Skip