From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 28 16:03:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF6B16A4CE; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:03:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F4043D48; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:03:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBSG0HTq084066; Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:00:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 09:00:17 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041228.090017.106033285.imp@bsdimp.com> To: freebsd@nbritton.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> References: <41D16A0F.4000909@nbritton.org> <20041228.083428.05622618.imp@bsdimp.com> <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: krinklyfig@spymac.com cc: core@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: sue@freebsd.org Subject: Re: It's time to shut down this list. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:03:39 -0000 In message: <41D18150.3030104@nbritton.org> Nikolas Britton writes: : M. Warner Losh wrote: : : >In message: <41D16A0F.4000909@nbritton.org> : > Nikolas Britton writes: : >: Unless your a member of core or have been at one time your voice is : >: unheard... : > : >Clearly you have no idea about how core works. I've read every single : >message in this thread, but have thought it better to let it run its : >coarse to see what the consensus of the community was. That's clearly : >listening to the voices of all those concerned. : > : >Warner : > : > : > : I was generalizing. but now that I got your ear what is the core team : doing about PR and Martketing, and why is the "Public Relations & : Corporate Liaison" seat open? see the "FreeBSD's Visual Identity: : Outdated?" and freebsd foundation threads on -questions for more info. We are well aware of the issues here, and have talked about them in some depth. We'd planned on launching our efforts to fix the problems, if any truly exist, after the first of the year when people are back from their holidays. Also, there's never been a PR seat, so to complain that it is open is like complaining that the village idiot seat is open... That critism is unwarranted. In the past, PR has been done by the cdrom companies, but their monitary incentives for doing that is now way down since cdrom sales have dropped so much over the years. The FreeBSD Foundation is an independent entity, over which core has no control. Warner