From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 31 10:22:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B22E1065674 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66538FC16 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:22:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-59-134.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.59.134]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE00D1E4EE; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id n6VAMQAm001581; Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:22:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Mel Flynn Message-Id: <20090731122225.c9c58b60.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <200907302119.14761.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> References: <4A71F561.2050103@videotron.ca> <200907301308.01035.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> <200907302119.14761.mel.flynn+fbsd.questions@mailing.thruhere.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Andrew Gould , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7.2 RELEASE ? Buggy as hell X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:22:33 -0000 On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 21:19:14 -0800, Mel Flynn wrote: > That is very weird, since most of the community regards the 5.x series as= the=20 > worst in FreeBSD's history. Until it completely destroyed itself, I had a 5.4-p? running at my home machine without any problems. Please let me emphasize this statement: WITHOUT. ANY. PROBLEMS. I have more trouble with 7-STABLE... I still have a 300 MHz P2 with FreeBSD 5.4-p12 that runs faster than my 2 GHz P4 with 7-STABLE which won=C4't run mplayer correctly, games don't work, and much more. I feel that I have spent more time getting 7 to run halfway as good as 5 was. > I've personally seen significant improvements in both reliability and=20 > performance since 5.x, with respect to kernel and base. System performance has gotten much better. I've experienced FreeBSD 6 only for server use, and tested it with PC-BSD on the desktop, so I don't have a usable opinion there. > As far as I'm concerned, 7.2 is the best release so far. I'll make a copy of this statement and check if it's still true after I performed the update. :-) > I do share the Xorg frustration,=20 > primarily because there is no alternative and has degraded into a "linux = X11=20 > server, with some considerations for other operating systems, without any= form=20 > of release engineering or regression testing". Allthough you can still get rid of some "builtin problems", either by changing your configuration files or recompiling X with some compile time options, there's still the (important) first impression that some developers artificially made things harder to get X running, with no understandable reason. After some reading, I found out that HAL and DBUS, for example, are important and useful for getting Gnome's auto mounting facilities working, and that's good. But if you don't run Gnome and don't want any automounting stuff (maybe intendedly due to security reasons), you still sit there with this stuff required. > While XFree86 was harder to=20 > configure, it's stability was far less of an issue. Depends on your hardware. XFree86 always configured fast, fine and correct on my systems. And it could run with 1400x1050 which X.org can't do anymore, surprisingly. --=20 Polytropon >From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...