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I've not seen anything > yet confirming this. Looks documented to me. But one has to find and follow the definitions/reference-material. There are places that reference having "binary security and errata updates to FreeBSD" or such wording that do not mention the tool(s) used for such. But . . . https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/ has a "24.2 FreeBSD Update" section that reports: QUOTE Applying security patches in a timely manner and upgrading to a newer release of an operating system are important aspects of ongoing system administration. FreeBSD includes a utility called freebsd-update which can be used to perform both these tasks. This utility supports binary security and errata updates to FreeBSD, without the need to manually compile and install the patch or a new kernel. Binary updates are available for all architectures and releases currently supported by the security team. The list of supported releases and their estimated end-of-life dates are listed at https://www.FreeBSD.org/security/ . This utility also supports operating system upgrades to minor point releases as well as upgrades to another release branch. END QUOTE (Admittedly, https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/installation/ makes no mention of arm64/aarch64 but mentions only i386 and amd64. But there is material elsewhere that indicates arm64/aarch64 has such as of 13.0-RELEASE+, given its Tier 1 status for 13.0-RELEASE+, see later below.) So with that as context, there is . . . https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#archs section 21.3. Tier 1: Fully-=3DSupported Archtectures that says, in part: QUOTE The FreeBSD Project provides the following guarantees to consumers of Tier 1 platforms: . . . =E2=80=A2 Binary updates and source patches for Security = Advisories and Errata Notices will be provided for supported releases. . . . =E2=80=A2 Binary updates and source patches for cross-platform = Security Advisories will typically be provided at the time of the announcement. . . . =E2=80=A2 Official binary packages for third party software will = be provided by the ports team. For embedded architectures, these packages may be cross-built from a different architecture. . . . =E2=80=A2 Tier 1 platforms should be self-hosting either via the = in-tree toolchain or an external toolchain. If an external toolchain is = required, official binary packages for an external toolchain will be provided. . . . END QUOTE (There are limitations for embedded/SmallBoard/Computer issues like U-Boot or the like that are involved but are not part of FreeBSD itself.) https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ lists "64-bit ARMv8 aarch64" under "13.x Support Tier" as "Tier 1". So, under section 21.3. Tier 1's material, the binary updates are supposed to be available (and are in the usual way going forward). There was also the material in Ed Maste's announcement: = https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2021-April/002030.htm= l One thing that I've not seen explicit material for, that was referenced in Ed's announcement, is: QUOTE We will also be suggesting one or more low-cost reference platforms for FreeBSD/arm64. END QUOTE I've no clue where to find such suggestions. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com