From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 18 20:08:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9EB1065670 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-132.bluehost.com [67.222.39.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D51FD8FC14 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 27257 invoked by uid 0); 18 Nov 2008 20:08:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by outboundproxy4.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2008 20:08:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gzQBXn5HvbMcVmWtFrag3l3of4ICDZ45pNz+BETcVdvh4yu0VgA6O72/Ip8UI1JtbXMvZxL4urF4AGwqAGIY5kVE5lmOZYMidJIDd33kAtkabjbELM5KcTm5RZ08x8Pa; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kokopelli.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L2Ws0-0001OI-Ap for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:20 -0700 Received: by kokopelli.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:08:31 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: User Questions Message-ID: <20081118200831.GB5226@kokopelli.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: User Questions References: <7f8a05a80811171609h2f5742cfo2ae003415a99e45f@mail.gmail.com> <20081118121634.S84157@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118123147.GA96005@ei.bzerk.org> <94136a2c0811180444n51cae14bg70654bc7b93445f8@mail.gmail.com> <20081118141648.M84450@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081118160808.GC28439@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <94136a2c0811180819ld92d0c1sc577dc5cfc715081@mail.gmail.com> <20081118202334.A85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20081118202334.A85658@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: FreeBSD and hardware?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:08:23 -0000 --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:26:36PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>are happy to find that to be true. Give them a hand rather than > >>a kick in the face. > > > >Amen to that! This is something I am also asking for. Wojciech you > >often help others here. Let's keep it this way. Please?! >=20 > i will do exactly what i'm doing now. no more no less. >=20 > helping those who ask questions that make sense, and i know the answer (o= r=20 > think i know). >=20 > And fixing bad statements and bad ideas. like the idea of "replacing"=20 > windows with unix without first learning unix from basics. >=20 > And the idea that having as much FreeBSD users as possible is a good=20 > thing. it is not. I don't think that making having as many FreeBSD users as possible a primary goal is a good idea, to be sure. On the other hand, if we do so only within the constraints of current design philosophy and an attempt to focus more on quality than quantity, having more users *is* a good thing for a number of reasons -- in large part because of the benefits that can be gained from a stronger user base. What we should *not* do is take such a hostile attitude toward potential new users that the user base of FreeBSD ultimately dwindles due to the attrition of time. That seems to be your approach, and I find it quite counterproductive, especially when you couple it with weirdly anti-Unix statements like your continuing insistence that no Unix system can effectively replace MS Windows. --=20 Chad Perrin [ content licensed PDL: http://pdl.apotheon.org ] Quoth Anne McClintock, University of Wisconsin: "The decisions that really matter are made outside the democratic process." --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkkjIL8ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWvoQCbBH8xz25EfyLdLG6MOdfviLq9 nAIAnRAsyd6pjcGsxwf0eFS5I5P1dgp9 =COgl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50--