From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 20 20:46:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B821065678 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02E9B8FC19 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12195 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2011 20:46:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2011 20:46:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=bu8VDR2vq+8R8vEa2aAsveTZ57Ms7OzURav0kjEEqwlMd6QltrvgE75na0wYZc1UhWx3NfkEYup8+UX5ICRwLf0NpeAXW1Rs15rdCfw79y04se5NRTl9nK9jNmPNq6Sl; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qjdev-00022h-1y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:46:22 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:29:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 14:29:41 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20110720202941.GA37360@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <4E22DFE9.7050007@pathscale.com> <201107172016.30727.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4E23989F.7010701@gmail.com> <4e242fab.s4vpgxxZEUq0LFDq%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <1311017168.44397.YahooMailRC@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13800_1311018255_4E248D0F_13800_81_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499C521864F@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> <20110718162245.0d426239@scorpio> <20110719032131.GA29635@guilt.hydra> <20110719085529.1671ec7f@scorpio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110719085529.1671ec7f@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: Lennart Poettering: BSD Isn't Relevant Anymore X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 20:46:23 -0000 --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 08:55:29AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:21:31 -0600 > Chad Perrin articulated: >=20 > > This is where we find a dividing line between users who want different > > things. Yes, you turn on your Win7 laptop (or wake it up) in a coffee > > shop, and it connects automagically -- in fact, you probably don't > > even realize it has connected. Hopefully it connected to the coffee > > shop's network, and not one of those occasional skimming networks that > > masquerade as coffe shop networks and exist to harvest login data and > > the like. The dividing line between two schools of thought on the > > matter in this example should be obvious. >=20 > You do realize that all of that is configurable; ie, auto connect, > preferred network, etcetera. If you have not taken the time to read the > documentation and properly configure the wireless app correctly then > why bitch? I am not implying that it is perfect; however, given the > grave limitations that FreeBSD places on wireless connections; > specifically lack of drivers, and the inordinate amount of manual > intervention to accomplish what Microsoft and other OSs, (does the name > Ubuntu sound familiar) have achieved, it is readily apparent that the > FreeBSD implementation is trailing the pack. If you turn off the automation that connects you to networks you do not want, you turn off the "advantage" you suggest FreeBSD needs. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk4nOrUACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXqpgCg5UMQ4lXSX6yajVILFEP6bfWd 5m8AoPLBN0shaKwxyxRXB/e2hg9xcgtb =4UPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--