From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 30 04:56:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2E51065679 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 04:56:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379638FC15 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 04:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDSK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m4U4ugUJ048567; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Gary Kline" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 21:57:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20080529215053.GB62524@thought.org> Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]); Thu, 29 May 2008 21:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 04:56:44 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Gary Kline > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:51 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. > > > you probably didn't start with the earlier markup. back then, > '93-4, there was
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, , and . i wrote a 2.2K-line > program to handle "hi" -> ``hi'' and a couple other things. > the code has evolved, of course, but still works. > Not the case. I use vi myself and I eschew background gifs and such. Web pages that I create are black text on a white back ground interspersed with images when needed. Period. No CSS no frames, no nothing. If the content I put up isn't worth reading then no amount of formatting, font specification, animated images, and so forth is going to get people to look at it, is my feeling. Looking at your site, it's clear your not a true minimalist. Thus, my recommendation to not even try. Web page design has got so complex that you basically have to do it full time to made a page that looks professional. If your going to create pages, then a true minimalist page is just as functional and just as good as an amateur attempt. Meaning, both it and the amateur page will look like crap, but people aren't there for the looks they are there for the information, and they won't care. Naturally, I am perfectly aware too many people assume that if the page is unformatted that the content must be crap. So, for commercial sites that I am involved in that a lot of eyeballs look at, I don't code those. I have my wife code them - who IS an HTML designer. Watching her work I can see how much work is involved in making a page look professional. (she uses homesite, which is a commercial html editor, it is not a wysiwyg like dreamweaver) I know that if I just do the usual job that an amateur does, it's like a little kid riding a plastic horse at the grocery store and pretending he's a cowboy. Ted