From nobody Thu Jun 3 06:20:13 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-arm@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712DB137588B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 06:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vtr.rulingia.com (vtr.rulingia.com [IPv6:2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "vtr.rulingia.com", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FwbP00h5nz4TFQ for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 06:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from server.rulingia.com (ppp239-208.static.internode.on.net [59.167.239.208]) by vtr.rulingia.com (8.16.1/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 1536KJ4k019066 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:20:24 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 vtr.rulingia.com 1536KJ4k019066 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=rulingia.com; s=default; t=1622701225; bh=UO0qFXfi63zY8IirYMfcoIbHvYXahGFou/9+NodaEec=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=DC9G7Pu5hpPqSHeR+RNoXTCuroBp3qqCADM/R+Y3X94dJNfiOKxWwiW/+ouOq0xd4 Eqsji3Xx2ZLwxJionqYZyVNCfSU5byRwfA3u60aXUZDKctr0aTogz4QGFW9tGVv8zT nIc39zP5+ZkjdP/LQ6tXVCSfLiMOgihAUp2mKZMnP+gYRBGFeDsq4u2EdhSpUE/5QL H6L5hl3aqI8d2sGf2y+sWcDgITxDwQL1mDQJ+zwsTlQOMpVeb6BztqQyAxscJ/UeBI sgstXK2vyX9vWcwI43ImI2hJOOMD58n9q2b9PNfEOrLXO+D6G4L7Hu9ZESfmtGnCoM 9rY1YSE5C798w== X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 1536KDJ0028215 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:20:13 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 1536KDLs028214; Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:20:13 +1000 (AEST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 16:20:13 +1000 To: George Mitchell Cc: "freebsd-arm@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Oversimplification Message-ID: References: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CLXGH/OeGZItvI8y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35728cba-0152-9b73-77f9-48683e870bbd@m5p.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4FwbP00h5nz4TFQ X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rulingia.com header.s=default header.b=DC9G7Pu5; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=rulingia.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of peter@rulingia.com designates 2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=peter@rulingia.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.09 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rulingia.com:s=default]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[peter]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rulingia.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rulingia.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5800::/38, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm] Reply-To: peter@rulingia.com From: Peter Jeremy via freebsd-arm X-Original-From: Peter Jeremy X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --CLXGH/OeGZItvI8y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2021-May-30 17:49:01 -0400, George Mitchell wro= te: >I've never been shy about oversimplifying complex questions, so here >goes: What's the ARM system that presents the least hassle to a >prospective FreeBSD user? Here's what I mean by low hassle: > >1. Widely available. >2. Runs some standard FreeBSD image with minimal (or no) tweaking. >3. I suspect ARM64 means less hassle than ARM32. >4. Friendly to an external high-speed (at least USB 3; possibly SATA?) > disk. >5. Hopefully 8GB on-board memory, though 4GB is probably okay if high > speed swapping is available (see point 4). >6. Affordable, but not cheap. I'll second Milan's followup. I have a 4GB RockPro64 with the dual-SATA PCIe card and am quite happy with it. It also supports both USB-3 and USB-C, though I haven't experimented with either. Note that the WiFi/Bluetooth module for the RockPro64 uses SDIO, and the combination isn't yet supported by FreeBSD. I also have a BananaPi M1, which has an integral SATA port but I've never managed to get the SATA to work. --=20 Peter Jeremy --CLXGH/OeGZItvI8y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE7rKYbDBnHnTmXCJ+FqWXoOSiCzQFAmC4dJhfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEVF QjI5ODZDMzA2NzFFNzRFNjVDMjI3RTE2QTU5N0EwRTRBMjBCMzQACgkQFqWXoOSi CzQmeg/9FpCsgMO3VZJYJTySw5AOvEjZvqENE7+x2UYtErn7fMG0lrpYqvq7qxDV 5hL7BeL85JblueiVSqt8yXmIAEEl7oRZtALxnTal+FObZU+qc/FxQ7zcfNnftRoX +9Nh2M880Xr0lIHMqKI4ggP54Es5IlXecEk2AU2quYyOR78iUgqL8tl1LRdiCifH xjnqU2e6XtXgA/ft/FfnWdBqOsASc1Ru+L0AMjtZb7XcFPbP0QWQdpZj9wzEOiGn P+n/+f7BkeJLD6b3GO1aqN4egCxCCtKYqLHnvmj89QZqvEYjixC1obGGYp5AKTYk w8IeGLO3rQlLDV/f+2ZHn6JJctjh4I9GxzxM1NHXaCV0aUkELs92HMcZECZduMTA wUKbcGnNN9sveKAgFzMB16DW0a0uKbGRpyiSCDaA2nqa7l1l05lDgkhqAYu3926p BYjDyxaHTEBdiizuJ6m3D6CrYr9HWb2PwYnViHQNfCxDoRWdZCETpFhM73p4cx0I dJ1Yag3KujRcmbl+zI0SA49qt6Jxw/CO7ZaPSYv0LPgsC3CqYbLLLhU+vM0H9cEt ktKPfcHIRJ+YdmpX1lnIiEiRbuGU7bhwp0+tyGAXnk1hiHo0tuMEPdv947dxqH+D z8yVTtA66x4hU413LKsVC9bjAd4Rv/X6EianUnR1B9LOrZMNBv0= =ZAla -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CLXGH/OeGZItvI8y--