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Date:      Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:48:12 -0600
From:      Ian Lepore <ian@freebsd.org>
To:        "Simon J. Gerraty" <sjg@juniper.net>
Cc:        Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc@freebsd.org>, "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r284345 - in head: . bin/cat bin/chflags bin/chio bin/chmod bin/cp bin/csh bin/date bin/dd bin/df bin/domainname bin/echo bin/ed bin/expr bin/freebsd-version bin/getfacl bin/hostname bi...
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On Sun, 2015-06-14 at 15:00 -0700, Simon J. Gerraty wrote:
> Garrett Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Breaking source upgrades to later versions is painful. We want to make
> > sure fmake at least works with upgrade_checks so people can upgrade
> > from earlier versions of 8/9/10 to 11 without having to deal with a
> > lot of pain.
> 
> I agree but 8 -> 11 is a very big jump.
> 

Not really.  We're in the midst of such a change at $work, but it will
be literally years before we're no longer doing anything with 8 and are
fully converted to 11.  We'll have completely skipped 9 and 10 in the
process.  That's the reality of being a company smaller than Yahoo or
Juniper -- we just don't have the resources to track -current.  We're
lucky if we can get enough resources to make a jump every 4 or 5 years.

In the meantime I've got to support building products on everything from
6.x through -current using basically the same source base and build
machinery.  The fmake->bmake change has been fairly painful; it's only
working at all for us because I've hacked fmake on 6.x and 8.x to
support a few crucial bmake features.

-- Ian





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