From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 19 23:18:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11259 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11245 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21210 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wishlists (was Re: SCO (was Re: hi terry)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:23:22 PST." <199803200523.VAA05071@kithrup.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:18:27 -0800 Message-ID: <21206.890378307@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not really. About the only thing being on the core team gets you is the > ability to add code that people object to and yet ignore those protests (cf. > PHK's idiotic revival of u.ar0 and u.ar1, albeit under different names -- but > with the same problems and shortsightedness of the original). Actually, this isn't precisely true. If you tender your objections a little more "officially", e.g. ask David Greenman as the principal architect for an intervention when/if you feel that some core team member is being an idiot, then you'll generally get some sort of action on it. Simply saying "this is bogus! back it out!" in -hackers is pretty much guaranteed to elicit no response since the Somebody Else's Problem effect takes over at that point and everyone figures that somebody else is going to contact Poul-Henning and argue it out with him. A more specific plea to David, listing all the reasons why you feel the change to have been in error, is definitely the way to go in cases like this. If David agrees with you, he'll tell phk to back the change out and that will be that (compliance with a request by David is mandatory and he's free to simply back out any change directly if the core team member in question isn't being cooperative). Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message