From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 19 09:48:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B63D16A418 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB92413C457 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J4vXO-0004Dn-CD for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:26 +0000 Received: from esperance.zetnet.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with SMTP id lBJ9mPCk022024 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:25 GMT Received: (qmail 36566 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Dec 2007 09:48:20 -0000 From: "Frank Shute" Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:20 +0000 To: David Schwartz Message-ID: <20071219094820.GA36521@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Schwartz , tedm@toybox.placo.com, FreeBSD Chat References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RC1 i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:26 +0000 (GMT) Cc: FreeBSD Chat , tedm@toybox.placo.com Subject: Re: Suggestions please for what POP or IMAP servers to use X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:48:31 -0000 On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 11:07:46PM -0800, David Schwartz wrote: > > > > MS dumped a pile of money into development of IE7 because it gets a > > pile of money in return from the root certificate authorities. Just > > like MS dumps a pile of money into development of operating systems > > because they get a pile of money in return from the PC companies > > that sell PC's with Windows preloaded. All of this rubbish about > > MS positioning IE so they can "take over" the Internet (ie: html and > > browser standards) is a pile of nonsense, it is nothing more than > > smokescreen mostly from Microsoft, designed to keep customers from > > understanding how they -really- make money. > > > Ted > > This is getting really tiring. Do you have such much as a shred of evidence > to support this? Yes or no. If you have no evidence, go away. If you have > evidence, present it. > Just because there is no evidence for a conspiracy doesn't mean it's not real. As someone else pointed out, they believe OJ did it (as do I and many others) yet there is no (or little) evidence he did it. To support Ted's thesis, I'd point out that when the DOJ v MS came to court the browser war was moot, MS had already won. Yet the media concentrated on this aspect of the trial, but if you read Jacksons's findings of fact, it was the general anti-competitive behaviour of MS that Jackson dwelt on, not just browsers, which is why he recommended they be broken up. Why did the media report it like so? Because MS spin doctors were telling the journalists that this was what it was all about. Journalists are lazy, incompetent and technically inept, just like most people, and they couldn't be bothered to pick their way through the findings of fact and understand why MS was presenting this as "browser wars" rather than as their sustained anti-competitive, monopoly abusing behaviour. It wouldn't surprise me one iota if this smokescreen was to cover up their scamming millions from the root certificate authorities amongst many other abuses. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html