From nobody Thu Sep 29 05:46:45 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MdMn953hLz4dTvY for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "holgerdanske.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MdMn85v54z3swL for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=holgerdanske.com; s=nov-20210719-112354; t=1664430406; bh=uOKEbH1NLwhbRk0MRz/KMHnPc6y2UZfMIn1SwhK3oJU=; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:User-Agent:Subject: Content-Language:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=378thBthZf9hT765IgpnhitCGcT0OKZAtOkmzQrNMwhlArv/uNrtG/VNjkpwi7t+g 7ssuWr9N1r6hzHnCJYHOWqqsTADHobXteBEgC6SYr+3ItoBIQVorki2VlqHGTzzoX8 WaTnU5SBIN9ZNSoGpFFurYWt+fxS2FOmjfNJDimWaoSsHGcjvl2YD0bOqCPizXZKNV YjsQxhnkZEnay1DaCXaE2kgJyeIPJLC20DMHvhGr2xDXtK8w2rvk/4grtoKTSpfUeB V70u7SgxYWEUjmjiRI6zjLwcNRKIQ50fU5hkVJc0eREEaH3s6vHOldEAvOe35knm4L 3yotoKfidKyL7QfsXau0xZEgI2Koa5hReohxQ96zF9SFkHNrnUza0Sz3J/WKIClPbp /OcvwsxUNNR0hxB5ZN9NK3Uqgzwu+JZkUhQVWCdC/QMi2Snp6z3WexcID+mn6w1rte xhoOWD5kGUEq9QVH5bW+HGR1GMalxarRG2XSzHon6w6oOEhkiUA01jVBD16dSm8NxL pRWgYWRJs4RrY0D3XqcX6RBpyN+sw3ZLZZkzXFDjJRNOF/r5s6yI5Np88ns5APsxse P5/SWSWQcf0ZxIubaWXE6ngW3GGJ4YvVzQMwxtdaqFiYnfOP36msrJzTPRpquGEIkQ Dn6jTTmUMPhIliD464Y1B4dE= Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 22:46:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4e856cdb-763d-66d4-5fdf-e62cc4956ae5@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 22:46:45 -0700 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.13.0 Subject: Re: concerns about install freebsd Content-Language: en-US To: questions@freebsd.org References: <27EE1304-D86D-428D-8ED0-3606DA8A97BB@riseup.net> From: David Christensen In-Reply-To: <27EE1304-D86D-428D-8ED0-3606DA8A97BB@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4MdMn85v54z3swL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=holgerdanske.com header.s=nov-20210719-112354 header.b=378thBth; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=holgerdanske.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com designates 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.96 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[holgerdanske.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:november.he.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[holgerdanske.com:s=nov-20210719-112354]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[holgerdanske.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 9/28/22 20:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On 28. Sep 2022, at 20:08, jian he wrote: >> Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it's intel x86 architecture)? > yes, you can install both on the same machine. Have you set up dual boot with Linux and FreeBSD on an x86-64/amd64 system? If so, please describe. > While it‘s possible to run one operating system as guest inside of the another operating system, this approach has got several disadvantages. > If you want to test operating systems, a starting point to do this is using persistent live media. For example, copy several Linux live ISO to a Ventoy USB-stick and make them persistent and get NomadBSD. Testing an operating system as guest in a virtual machine suffers from the limits of the virtualization, especially when using VirtualBox, let alone that anything hardware related depends on the host‘s drivers, hence you can‘t experience hardware support of the guest. For hardware support testing, I agree that a live CD can be useful. For evaluating FreeBSD support of specific hardware, I would try the FreeBSD installer "Live CD" option (see Figure 3): https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/bsdinstall/#bsdinstall-start NomadBSD advertises "automatic hardware detection and setup", which might conceal potential problems with a genuine FreeBSD installation. For OS and software evaluation, an advantage of a (supported) VM is that there should be few, if any, device driver issues (e.g. virtual hardware is known and supported). This allows you focus on FreeBSD, vscode, etc.. For example, I have a VM with FreeBSD 12.3-RELEASE-p6 GENERIC amd64 that is running on VirtualBox 6.1.38 on Debian 11.5 Linux 5.10.0-18-amd64. I see one error message via dmesg(8): 2022-09-28 22:21:19 toor@vf1 ~ # dmesg | grep -i error module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (vesa, 0xffffffff811848b0, 0) error 19 AIUI "vesa" is an X Windows driver. I access the VM via ssh(1) and have not installed X, so the error message does not concern me. David