From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 24 7: 1:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E494837BB9B for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 07:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA03357; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:21 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda03355; Fri Mar 24 06:58:15 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA07438; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdSi7436; Fri Mar 24 06:58:09 2000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id GAA05156; Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:58:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003241458.GAA05156@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpddv5150; Fri Mar 24 06:57:50 2000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE X-Sender: cy To: John Reynolds~ Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What does "Voxware still supported in 4.0" mean exactly? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:30:53 PST." <200003241431.GAA05074@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 06:57:50 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG BTW, this was not directed at you specifically but at many of those who complain about support. Please don't take this a my flaming you but instead flaming those who expect commercial support from a freeware project. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC In message <200003241431.GAA05074@cwsys.cwsent.com>, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Sy stems Group writes: > In message <14554.20424.548258.530333@hip186.ch.intel.com>, John > Reynolds~ writ > es: > > > > [ On Wednesday, March 22, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: ] > > > > What about those of us with AWE64 GOLD boards? The board itsel > f does > > > > quite well with most PCI based boards available today. As for upgrades > , > > > > would a Vibra16 really count as an upgrade? > > > > > > Why not send us one and we'll have Cameron Grant look at it? He is > > > somewhat constrained by the hardware available to him, and being off > > > in the UK and stuck in a wheelchair to boot doesn't exactly give him > > > the best access. > > > > > > > If we're going to be forced to use newer boards, what about > > > > SoundBlaster Live, Diamond Fusion, and other modern Aureal/Dolby based > > > > PCI sound boards? Will pcm support those out of the box, or are we now > > > > going to have to wait for some other driver to be developed? > > > > > > It doesn't support them out of the box now, but I can tell you that > > > Cameron is certainly working on at least the Soundblaster Live support > > > since we did send him one and I've heard him complaining bitterly > > > about it on several occasions. :) If somebody wants to send him > > > a Diamond Fusion card, I would be happy to "broker" the deal. > > > > The following is not venom directed at jkh, or anybody in general--it is an > > honest question/statement/opinion: > > > > Rather than having a user send Cameron Grant a Diamond Fusion Card, or any > > other "bleeding edge" or "old 'n' crusty" sound card to play with, shouldn' > t > > FreeBSD, Inc. or Walnut Creek itself be proactively shipping willing > > developers like this all the hardware they can purchase? I know that it is > > done, has been done, and will continue to be done--it just seems to me like > > another appropriate time to spend <= $100US from the profits generated by C > D > > sales. > > > > There are many many of us who faithfully buy the CD subscription and basica > ll > > y > > use the discs as shiny playtoys for our toddlers. I will continue to buy it > > too because "money gets rolled back into the project for further developmen > t" > > and with such limited time, that's how I "support" FreeBSD (along with > > evangelism being the only "FreeBSD leper" here at work amongst the > > Linux-ites). > > > > I think that users sending people who have the time and talent for writing > > drivers for the hardware is a grand idea. But, I think an equally grand ide > a > > is onsie-twosie hardware (such as sound cards, NICs, etc.) being purchased > by > > Walnut Creek and/or FreeBSD, Inc. "automatically." Comments? > > > > (again, this is not meant to be accusatory to jkh or anybody specifically, > an > > d > > I'm not asking for "justification of my CD purchase" in any way ... just > > stating my US $0.02). > > That's $25/CDROM release. I'm not sure how much support that would get > you. RedHat charges from $30 for web-based installation support to > $150 for 30 days of full support. > > FreeBSD is a volunteer effort. Many people have devoted much time to > this project only to be slammed for one thing or another. How many > times have I seen this discussion on this list? I've run out of > fingers and toes counting the number of times I've seen this discussion > over the years. > > If people want support, purchase a commercial UNIX from any of the > commercial UNIX vendors. Not only that but support contracts are > available for FreeBSD. Heck, send me enough money and I'll provide > support. I've worked for two commercial product development companies > as a developer. Product development ain't cheap, nor is support. > > If you have a complaint, here are your options: > > 1. Go somewhere else and buy a commercial UNIX (or Windows) and support > for it. > > 2. Get a FreeBSD support contract. > > 3. Roll up your sleeves and help out with the effort. > > Just quit complaining and do something constructive! There are a lot > of people who have sacrificed to contribute to this project and I for > one appreciate their contributions! > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/DEC Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message