From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 30 05:06:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0D1106567B for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59818FC1E for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from TEDSDSK (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m4U56ini048667; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Gary Kline" Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1914 In-Reply-To: <20080529221421.GD62524@thought.org> Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.192.90]); Thu, 29 May 2008 22:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Kevin Downey , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: RE: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 05:06:47 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Kline [mailto:kline@thought.org] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:14 PM > To: Ted Mittelstaedt > Cc: Kevin Downey; FreeBSD Mailing List > Subject: Re: Stumped:: web HTML. Caution, may be OT. > > > > Chill down a bit, okay? first, (as the OP), i did not know > thaat there was *this** great a disparity in thee rendering > between classes of browsers. i used to stick pretty close > to the w3.org (or whatever it was). i didn't think the > difference extended to how the stuff was parsed. > Gary, the problem is that the majority of people out there use IE, most IE7, but still a lot of IE6, and a few deihards IE5. Then there are the older versions of Safari on the Mac - there's still a lot of Mac's around that are running 10.2 believe it or not, and those came with MS IE for the Mac which -really- munges some pages. And Safari for Windows - which is a bit different than Safari on the Mac. And then there are all the Unix browsers. There are some test programs that can help. But the validators can tell you your code is right and it still will display differently in some of the browsers. The only way to do it is to do what the pros do - which is have all the different systems available and load their pages in those browsers. Telling people "my site is fine your browser is fucked, get a better one" is the mark of an amateur who is also being extremely presumptive. It's the old "do it my way or fuck off" This is what Microsoft tells people - and most FreeBSDers and Linux people claim they are on the moral high ground because they aren't forcing their stuff down people's throats - that is, until they create a webpage and then they have no problem forcing software down people's throats to see it, I guess.... Ted