From nobody Thu Sep 29 06:25:32 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MdNdp0NYJz4dXys for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx0.riseup.net (mx0.riseup.net [198.252.153.6]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx0.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MdNdn0cJCz3yNL for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MdNdk50Xmz9s3H for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:25:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1664432730; bh=0xzCraKApiJdL5Z6LdQWW5+KMXO79EY4D6C759iEQkY=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=h+RZcfbaLD1x1kiegHoINTqT8yhJn+LSiMlHMurugRktP6SGQSkKGpFUhdIki4ocF 9YhF/4kjQBM6XC5XrQMazYzbrizmCajIq44WXoCDfI/7YZjux8jNzg42nyD3g9CaeO B6ylZfUihWG9HpJlsIEcF4paH2QYrhVjlZOgNL0c= X-Riseup-User-ID: ADFADE9F7488807D07C93A316756CFFDB18264340FA74608DE59906BEEC37B8F Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4MdNdk0XKPz1yQr for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 06:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <8f6218a12c2b988241c3606043c9fe13e297c2ab.camel@riseup.net> Subject: Re: concerns about install freebsd From: Ralf Mardorf To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:25:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4e856cdb-763d-66d4-5fdf-e62cc4956ae5@holgerdanske.com> References: <27EE1304-D86D-428D-8ED0-3606DA8A97BB@riseup.net> <4e856cdb-763d-66d4-5fdf-e62cc4956ae5@holgerdanske.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4MdNdn0cJCz3yNL X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=h+RZcfba; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.6 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.10 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:mx0.riseup.net]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.6:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, 2022-09-28 at 22:46 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 9/28/22 20:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On 28. Sep 2022, at 20:08, jian he wrot= e: > > > Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it's i= ntel x86 architecture)? >=20 > > yes, you can install both on the same machine. >=20 >=20 > Have you set up dual boot with Linux and FreeBSD on an x86-64/amd64=20 > system? If so, please describe. Hi, that I maintained a multi-boot with Linux and FreeBSD was a long time ago. I probably will do it again soon, but a step by step guide of what I will do won't help other very much, since I've got already a multi- boot machine, at the moment just without FreeBSD. While I'm not using the GRUB 2 bootloader myself, I'm in favour of syslinux, especially newbies probably should consider to use GRUB 2, by using GRUB 2 to directly boot Linux and to chainload the FreeBSD bootloader, or after read the manuals, to see if chainloading isn't required. IIRC the time I had a multi-boot with FreeBSD, the default file system for FreeBSD was UFS. IIRC Linux could access UFS, but FreeBSD couldn't access Linux's riserfs or ext, I don't remember what file system I used this time, it likely was ext3. IOW each user needs to take a look at what file systems are provided by FreeBSD and Linux and what file systems are suitable to the individual ueser's needs. > > While it=E2=80=98s possible to run one operating system as guest inside= of the another operating system, this approach has got several disadvantag= es. >=20 > > If you want to test operating systems, a starting point to do this is u= sing persistent live media. For example, copy several Linux live ISO to a V= entoy USB-stick and make them persistent and get NomadBSD. Testing an opera= ting system as guest in a virtual machine suffers from the limits of the vi= rtualization, especially when using VirtualBox, let alone that anything har= dware related depends on the host=E2=80=98s drivers, hence you can=E2=80=98= t experience hardware support of the guest. >=20 >=20 > For hardware support testing, I agree that a live CD can be useful. You can't compare a live CD/DVD with a persistent live FreeBSD or persistent live Linux=C2=A0USB stick. While there are still some limitation= s when using a persistent USB stick, it's way faster than a CD/DVD and allows to store almost all changes. Regards, Ralf