Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:28:59 +0200 From: Andreas Kusalananda =?utf-8?B?S8OkaMOkcmk=?= <andreas.kahari@abc.se> To: jian he <jian.universality@gmail.com> Cc: Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: concerns about install freebsd Message-ID: <YzU7Ky4gnR6uc8m9@harpo.local> In-Reply-To: <CACJufxFfYwFCmpKfZZYcxMU=Ckp7M5bceH=LijpEO=HZwzniCQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACJufxEriHZcoxxDFYTwykxA0fwN8YpV74dUp3iCt9-oFO0rxg@mail.gmail.com> <CAFYkXjnOMPzYbuf02WRdJd4OO84JabJVbub76KiRYigrB9Ue8A@mail.gmail.com> <CACJufxFfYwFCmpKfZZYcxMU=Ckp7M5bceH=LijpEO=HZwzniCQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:34:59AM +0530, jian he wrote: > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:16 AM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 8:08 PM jian he wrote: > > > I asked the question about "freebsd graphic text editor". The question > > is stupid. > > > > No stupid questions, just stupid answers :-) > > > > Long story short, FreeBSD is Unix, but this is not a Linux, its a > > different operating system with different kernel and applications are > > not really one-to-one compatible from a binary standpoint.. however > > FreeBSD can emulate Linux ELF binaries and when all other dependencies > > are met Linux application binaries can work on FreeBSD. > > > > The biggest difference is in philosophy and approach to changes and > > long term maintenance. Linux is an example of "Enforced Changes"^TM > > ideology even when that makes it self-incompatible in short and long > > term. Linux also does not conform to standards as much as FreeBSD (and > > other BSD) does, usually you will notice things stop working in Linux > > after update, there are compatibility problems between different > > versions of the same Linux distributions, etc, etc. FreeBSD on the > > other hand comes from Unix and is created by people who actually use > > it themselves in serious commercial applications that must be > > maintainable in a long periods of time. > > > > The difference between Linux and BSD can be easily noticed in the > > product that they power: Linux -> Google Android (constant changes, > > updates, every Android is different), BSD -> iOS (looks and works the > > same on different devices, mostly focused on the result of the person > > using it). > > > > Some people prefer BSD some people prefer Linux. "Apples and > > Oranges"^TM but you should use both to make conscious decision and > > know exactly why. Some people even use both Linux and BSD depending on > > the task. > > > > > > > The real questions for me(don't want waste too much time on install) > > would be: > > > I already installed linux, any external pan drive needs to install > > freebsd? > > > > In the first step just create a VirtualBox machine, install it, create > > a snapshot, and see how this works. If anything goes wrong you can > > simply rollback a snapshot and you will not loose any real data. > > > > > > > Can I install linux and freebsd in the same machine (I think it's intel > > x86 architecture)? If so, can I switch it easily, just use the shortcut key > > then switch to another system. > > > > Yes, you can use them on a separate disks, you can use all of them on one > > disk. > > > > > > > How long does it take to install freebsd(all settings default, ignore > > internet speed) (I like to first make it work, then try to understand the > > system internals). > > > > At first you install "The Base System" so it is common starting point > > for everyone. Going from that you can install whatever you need by > > using `pkg` program or the source tree of the all available packages > > you can choose from located at `/usr/ports` called "The FreeBSD > > Ports". > > > > > > > If all things are pretty easy to set, can you give an authoritative > > video link? (in case I fail, I can follow through) I know there are many > > youtube tutorials, but I obviously don't know which one is right. > > > > There is a great book and its called "The FreeBSD Handbook" all > > information should be there: > > > > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ > > > > > > Keep in mind that the BSD Unix systems is mostly for the advanced and > > aware users. You start from a base system that you can customize to be > > a network router, network server, application server, desktop > > workstation, dedicated embedded system, etc, but you will have do to > > it yourself. There is no "one click to fit everyone" approach in > > FreeBSD. > > > > If you want to try out the BSD from a pendrive with already > > preinstalled Xorg + Window Manager you may also want to try NomadBSD > > (that is using FreeBSD base): > > > > https://nomadbsd.org/ > > > > Virtual Machine seems to be the best way to safely play and try out > > various things safely. > > > > Have fun! :-) > > > > -- > > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > > > I successfully installed oracle virtualbox. > Then landed on this site: > https://freebsdfoundation.org/freebsd-project/resourcesold/installing-freebsd-with-virtualbox/ > then I choose 13.1: > https://download.freebsd.org/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/ > > Now, which one should I choose: bootonly.iso or disc.iso or dvd1.iso? A short quote from the page you're reading: For Virtual Machines, the format you are looking for is the file ending in -disk.iso as shown abovew. Click this file and it will start downloading the installer. -- Andreas (Kusalananda) Kähäri SciLifeLab, NBIS, ICM Uppsala University, Sweden .
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