From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 15:31:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9405D37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ints.mail.pike.ru (ints.mail.pike.ru [195.9.45.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEFA43F93 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from babolo@cicuta.babolo.ru) Received: (qmail 97961 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2003 22:48:41 -0000 Received: from babolo.ru (HELO cicuta.babolo.ru) (194.58.226.160) by ints.mail.pike.ru with SMTP; 14 Apr 2003 22:48:41 -0000 Received: (nullmailer pid 4202 invoked by uid 136); Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:34:18 -0000 X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) hdr-charset=KOI8-R; no-hdr-encoding=1 In-Reply-To: <200304142009.WAA26011@faui40p.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Toerless Eckert Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 02:34:18 +0400 (MSD) From: "."@babolo.ru X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <1050359658.658599.4201.nullmailer@cicuta.babolo.ru> cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot2 broken ? (booting from pst fails) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:31:24 -0000 > But here's the point: people buy PC hardware because it's cheap. Guess why Some people buy PC hardware because of freedom in select of it. Compare to Mac. > it's cheap. If i had the money to buy a sun with a comparable system with > raid, do you think i'd hang around with a PC ? Or for that matter with Hm... Your freedom with Sun is more more restricted. > a clone of forth in loader if i can have real open boot prom where i can > read and change the forth initialization routines of add-on cards instead > of having to hope that the binary BIOS oroutines f some PC cards is compatible > with the motherboard BIOS ? Heck, i had to return two motherboards because > they couldn't initialize raid, scsi and firewire being in the system at > the same time. > > In a cheesy hardware environment like PC the right thing to do is to > minimize the expectations on what that stuff can do, especially the BIOS. The world is as bad as you allow it to be... > You don't have to be better on this than the competition (linux, *bsd, windows), > but you shouldn't be much more expectant. *BSDs strong point has always been > to be architecturally and implementation wise more advanced than Linux. Raising > the bar for hardware is NOT compliant with that goal if you ask me. .. Sorry my English is bad.