From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 11 21:20:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28835 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28820 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 21:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA00690; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:49:17 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980712134913.A635@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:49:13 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Frank Pawlak , Brett Glass , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: Wes Peters , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jasone@canonware.com, smoergrd@oslo.geco-prakla.slb.com Subject: Re: Microsoft's breaches of contract (was: FBSD license and multiple copyright holders) References: <199807040703.BAA02533@softweyr.com> <19980704165817.D358@freebie.lemis.com> <980704165941.ZM2483@darkstar.connect.com> <19980705102445.L358@freebie.lemis.com> <199807110349.VAA28411@lariat.lariat.org> <980712035135.ZM14948@darkstar.connect.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <980712035135.ZM14948@darkstar.connect.com>; from Frank Pawlak on Sun, Jul 12, 1998 at 03:51:35AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 12 July 1998 at 3:51:35 +0000, Frank Pawlak wrote: > On Jul 11, 9:07pm, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: >> If you check the ftp(1) code (/usr/src/usr/bin/ftp/) you'll see it >> uses the old-style four-clause BSD copyright, which requires all >> advertising material for software derived from BSD-licensed code to >> include the mention "This product includes software developed by the >> University of California, Berkeley and its contributors." >> >> Obviously, they're not doing it. Equally obviously, nobody so far has >> had the balls to challenge this practice. > > Are you absolutely sure that your information is correct? Can you provide the > goods to prove that this is true? I would love to get that in front of the > Wisconsin Attorney General and my congressman. You may not have one to write > to, but I would be more than happy to write mine as your proxy. ;-) I hate M$ > so much that I would be very happy to pass this on, but I need to be sure that > it is correct. Don't want to look like a horse's ass. Before you get carried away, consider two other cases in point: 1. During the UNIX wars, USL was found to have used BSD code without appropriate acknowledgement--exactly the same situation as we're talking about. The matter, along with the BSD camp's alleged abuse of AT&T source, was settled out of court. I still don't see the acknowledgements, for example on the Free UnixWare CD I got a while back. 2. Microsoft licensed Java from Sun and then broke the terms of the license. Despite its relevance to the Internet Exploder business, the courts apparently ignored the problem, though it could have been grounds for prohibiting the propagation of the product in that form. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message