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Date:      Fri, 19 Oct 2012 14:45:44 +0300
From:      Konstantin Belousov <kostikbel@gmail.com>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Tristan Verniquet <tris_vern@hotmail.com>
Subject:   Re: syncing large mmaped files
Message-ID:  <20121019114544.GX35915@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua>
In-Reply-To: <201210181543.25191.jhb@freebsd.org>
References:  <SNT124-W20F26CF7B468F7F09B9B4983760@phx.gbl> <201210180939.34861.jhb@freebsd.org> <20121018164218.GR35915@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <201210181543.25191.jhb@freebsd.org>

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 03:43:25PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> On Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:42:18 pm Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 09:39:34AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:35:37 am Konstantin Belousov wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:08:22AM +1000, Tristan Verniquet wrote:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > I want to work with large (1-10G) files in memory but eventually =
sync
> > > > > them back out to disk. The problem is that the sync process appea=
rs to
> > > > > lock the file in kernel for the duration of the sync, which can r=
un
> > > > > into minutes. This prevents other processes from reading from the=
 file
> > > > > (unless they already have it mapped) for this whole time. Is there
> > > > > any way to prevent this? I think I read in a post somewhere about
> > > > > openbsd implementing partial-writes when it hits a file with lots=
 of
> > > > > dirty pages in order to prevent this. Is there anything available=
 for
> > > > > FreeBSD or is there another way around it?
> > > > >
> > > > No, currently the vnode lock is held exclusive for the whole durati=
on
> > > > of the msync(2) syscall or its analog from the syncer.
> > > >=20
> > > > Making a change to periodically drop the vnode lock in
> > > > vm_object_page_clean() might be possible, but requires the benchmar=
king
> > > > to make sure that we do not pessimize the common case. Also, this o=
pens
> > > > a possibility for the vnode reclamation meantime.
> > >=20
> > > You can simulate this in userland by breaking up your msync() into mu=
ltiple
> > > msync() calls where each call just syncs a portion of the file.
> > Be aware that this is much-much slower than msyncing the whole file, ev=
en
> > if file is very large. The reason is that pager initiates asynchronous
> > _immediate_ clustered write for such situations. Async writes (AKA
> > bdwrite()) are only specified for full range msyncing.
>=20
> Ugh.  It would seem to me that msync(MS_ASYNC) should be doing delayed
> writes.
The vm_pager_putpages() is called with the VM_PAGER_CLUSTER_OK flag
for MS_ASYNC, according to my reading of the code. This results
in neither IO_SYNC nor IO_ASYNC flags passed to VOP_WRITE() from
vnode_pager_generic_putpages().

Since the mapped regions are typically large enough to mmap the whole
fs blocks, the code in ffs_vnops.c:ffs_write() ends up in the cluster_write=
().
Usually, fully populated cluster is written asynchronously.

>=20
> > > > Anyway, note that you cannot 'work with large files in memory', eve=
n if
> > > > you have enough RAM and no pressure to hold all the file pages resi=
dent.
> > > > The syncer will do a writeback periodically regardless of the appli=
cation
> > > > calling msync(2) or not, with the interval of approximately 30 seco=
nds.
> > >=20
> > > You can mmap with MAP_NOSYNC to prevent the syncer from writing the f=
ile out
> > > every 30 seconds.
> >=20
> > This also prevents msync(2) from syncing the region. The flag is fine
> > for throw-away data, but not for the scenario that was described, I
> > think.
>=20
> Oof.  I could see that in certain situations you might want to control th=
is
> behavior from an application (similar to how I now make use of fadvise() =
at
> work).  Having a way to disable syncer but having msync(MS_ASYNC) do
> something useful would be good.

I was wrong there, sorry. Only syncer and fsync(2) would ignore
VPO_NOSYNC pages.

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