From owner-freebsd-java Wed Mar 4 12:49:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23766 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:49:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23725; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15429; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:49:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA11466; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:49:24 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:49:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199803042049.NAA11466@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Paulo Cesar Pereira de Andrade Cc: Damon Permezel , Stephen Wynne , java@FreeBSD.ORG, java-port@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashes with Swing 1.0.1 and Lesstif 0.82/port In-Reply-To: References: <199803040326.VAA02968@damon.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > I no longer care about lesstif, so if you find that motif > > > doesn't want this change, lets undo it. > > > > Perhaps you understand why I eventually decided that the $$ invested in > > a copy of Motif would be well spent. > > I'm yet to learn java, but have some coments here. Please, don't depend > on commercial products. Java is a commercial product if you *really* want to split hairs. > I don't have anything against Xig (they are very friendly and > helpfull to customers), but need to say, their FreeBSD products > are too old. Too old? > I've buyed their Motif and XServer hopping to learn Motif and see a > 'Real X Server'. At least on my S3 board, XFree is faster, and > *even* uses HW cursor. At leats on my S3 board, their 3.1 server *kills* it in terms of performance, and is less buggy. I can also do 24bit color at 1600x1200 with a 4MB board which I can't with XFree. > Their libraries are broken, mostly because of the utmp/wtmp > changes, and on my 3.0 box, even editing the binary (yes, I did it, > because it has a lot of hardcoded resources, and is not friendly > to -xrm args). XIG doesn't support 3.0. Heck, does XFree86 support 3.0? I wouldn't expect any commercial vendor to support a moving target like -current. I don't run it on any of my boxes that are for 'general' use, and I'm a developer. :) > I never could get Xsetup -graphics to work, only Xsetup -text. It > prints some messages that cannot load some font's and core-dumps. Did you contact their tech. support about this? Did you download the patch for Xsetup from their WWW/ftp site? > Also, in one of the latest CERT's I've read, it appears that Accel X > uses a bug in *BSD to get write permission's in /dev/mem. When it is > fixed, current versions of AccellX will not work anymore. Except that they will (hopefully) provide a patch for this. There just like any vendor (including FreeBSD). When bugs are found fixes take time to get integrated/tested and put into the tree. FreeBSD hasn't even fixed it yet. > I hope all the problems I had are because I don't want go back to > 2.2.1, but will not use neither Motif neither AccellX. Fine, but don't expect people to spend alot of time fixing something that is so broken (LessTif) when a working solution (Motif) exists. I have no interest in re-inventing something that works. Java is the technology I seek, not the process of getting Java freed. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message