From nobody Thu Sep 29 09:15:07 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4MdSPh39VRz4Y9mN for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jian.universality@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com (mail-ua1-x933.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4MdSPh04Frz3MfR for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:15:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jian.universality@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id e3so271727uax.4 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=W/LJiHEEWeYPOCc8VExuqtP5hkf+4kBLhiNwKlL+hr8=; b=m9jbo8G6yhmr+41sKPIhnOZPgcoZ7zMxwLtvjPMopxTVxQx4P2GFCVA+jGLSQ8BjCO 3yUrqRMGREpRt8Y663VH2T+j/G6eSfTI/kCLflCs7+G5rLURrecHBe2V3/mS90n9q1y8 UarLP3M+BO9WvUfkxooJHht92VTB/CH1iffl91LnRsx7V19uvm1YeeJhy+jjdixLJ2u2 pE1yIJxhzo5gKhnlt5SrmeqQlEKJBlzmS/JWVfrnVzgD2avpsh+RdBc+kkTegeroUlM/ sZF1Pgymx7SVBocvEiSH50AEbPA0jhc9bksTSUgjGJ1toDfjnb3CahjH6AwQVI7azdQt aEDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=W/LJiHEEWeYPOCc8VExuqtP5hkf+4kBLhiNwKlL+hr8=; b=GkJnBC4GzMqKUHBBP4Hl2UR5MmEnt4a5Z+ks6gnz82E2whGKwKKNJGXegKaygYnkuf aIc4YNFQ9yW4v64Ycw2WjIarzAUIBGMapT5esIlYshaMtZzvGHyKFBtBe5MmM7fgie39 uuAvRx/jVvTH6TYyJ3kj5fEnMGE71vTiPvs5iuLc3tDYU4ke7s0jJN0XHOaqMfqIYbrT 0Z6k9gWcgyHnhZbdzR8H5P2bCOySqae2QYZu8h7uy/UaPZ3GIFPM/ElxJLqn6q8raioW a6oaW939PjIoq9oemOtQtpIYQC+UxBcbyIQ5iGlxfUHYe/N8tLEIyHkIvSgE6qbb7zSA yuWg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf379aR6L23zMvvLnA6/ZUxzrhwLVvW3rxglrBH2dOtnemFk+09g hUcP/9cULdZnFP0k8Qkd+DE5ZFISbdHyRyJafJQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5QdH/+NSLoLYqHKqKjseAP8/67tYUz4tbQkCrrusrS4X6fB6LjSzPI/JmB/q72a9JHqHEjb/9l/rk17U4hHAY= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:59a8:0:b0:3cd:aa28:aacd with SMTP id g37-20020ab059a8000000b003cdaa28aacdmr960986uad.123.1664442919359; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 02:15:19 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3935d030e8df3d301f62f51ae041d8660f018c9b.camel@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <3935d030e8df3d301f62f51ae041d8660f018c9b.camel@riseup.net> From: jian he Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 14:45:07 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: concerns about install freebsd To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f51b1c05e9cd50c8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4MdSPh04Frz3MfR X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=m9jbo8G6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jian.universality@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::933 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jian.universality@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::933:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000f51b1c05e9cd50c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Finally, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdBi6Jcw35s which seems promising, will try it on the weekend. On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:34 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2022-09-29 at 11:34 +0530, jian he wrote: > > I successfully installed oracle virtualbox. > > Hi, > > if I understand correctly your host is Linux running either Virtualbox > from a distro's repositories or from Oracle. > > When using a Linux host I strongly encourage you to chose the Virtual > Machine Manager GUI to run a QEMU/KVM, instead of using Virtualbox. > > I'm using Virtualbox from Oracle, not from the distro's repositories, to > hold Windows guests, since Virtualbox provides comfortable file sharing > between the Linux host and the Windows guest. For other purposes I'm in > favour of the Virtual Machine Manager GUI to run a QEMU/KVM. > > Virtualbox is terribly slow and suffers from countless issues, let alone > that it occasionally breaks completely. QEMU/KVM is a way better choice, > as long as direct file sharing (or clipboard sharing) is not important. > A QEMU/KVM guest performs more or less as fast as an install on bare > metal ("bare metal" is for a regular install, such as your Linux host). > > The Virtual Machine Manager GUI is as easy to use as the Virtualbox GUI, > with the exception of the mentioned sharing. > > As a side note, get used to portable scripts. I rarely use file mangers > etc., I'm in favour of command line. For this purpose I like to use > bashisms, but for scripts I'm in favour to avoid bashisms. > > Are you already familiar with command line and scrips? If not consider > to get used to the default login shells of your host and guest. You can > change them at any time, but as long as you are testing Linux and > FreeBSD, I would stay with the defaults. > > Regards, > Ralf > > -- I recommend David Deutsch's <> Jian --000000000000f51b1c05e9cd50c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Finally, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKdBi6Jcw35s=C2=A0 = which seems promising, will try it on the weekend.

On Thu, Sep 29,= 2022 at 1:34 PM Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf@riseup.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2022-09-29 at 11:34 +0530, jian he wrote:<= br> > I successfully installed oracle virtualbox.

Hi,

if I understand correctly your host is Linux running either Virtualbox
from a distro's repositories or from Oracle.

When using a Linux host I strongly encourage you to chose the Virtual
Machine Manager GUI to run a QEMU/KVM, instead of using Virtualbox.

I'm using Virtualbox from Oracle, not from the distro's repositorie= s, to
hold Windows guests, since Virtualbox provides comfortable file sharing
between the Linux host and the Windows guest. For other purposes I'm in=
favour of the Virtual Machine Manager GUI to run a QEMU/KVM.

Virtualbox is terribly slow and suffers from countless issues, let alone that it occasionally breaks completely. QEMU/KVM is a way better choice, as long as direct file sharing (or clipboard sharing) is not important.
A QEMU/KVM guest performs more or less as fast as an install on bare
metal ("bare metal" is for a regular install, such as your Linux = host).

The Virtual Machine Manager GUI is as easy to use as the Virtualbox GUI, with the exception of the mentioned sharing.

As a side note, get used to portable scripts. I rarely use file mangers
etc., I'm in favour of command line. For this purpose I like to use
bashisms, but for scripts I'm in favour to avoid bashisms.

Are you already familiar with command line and scrips? If not consider
to get used to the default login shells of your host and guest. You can
change them at any time, but as long as you are testing Linux and
FreeBSD, I would stay with the defaults.

Regards,
Ralf



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=C2=A0I recommend David Deutsch's <&= lt;The Beginning of Infinity>>

=C2=A0 Jian


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