From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 21:56:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-31-203-60.mmcable.com [65.31.203.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6587537B419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73060 invoked by uid 100); 27 Nov 2001 05:56:18 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15363.11010.927068.497280@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:56:18 -0600 To: David Kirchner Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: this spam In-Reply-To: <34363616@toto.iv> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Kirchner types: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, > > that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the > > Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, > This is OK to do as long as you make it very clear to each user when > they're signing up that you are filtering their messages and you notify > them of the chance that legitimate e-mail could be caught by filters (it > happens). It's a good idea to allow users to opt-out of such filtering, > too (although the anti-spammers will probably rail me for that suggestion. > Heheh. opt-out. heheh.) It's happened. At least one ISP has been sued as a result. The ISP contended that electronic mail isn't 100% reliable to start with, and that similar services never reveal the details of how they are protecting users from being bothered. The latter clinched the case, and the user lost. I'm an anti-spammer, but I'm also anti-vigilante and against the "email arms race" that has arisen. I'd much rather people had an easy way to complain to the spammers ISP than that the ISP provided filtering, with or without an opt-out. I couldn't get one of my clients to turn off the email filtering that denied me the chance to complain about SPAM. Given that they were mostly blocking viruses that wouldn't do anything on my system anyway, it really was pitiful. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Q: How do you make the gods laugh? A: Tell them your plans. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message