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Date:      Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:15:01 -0500
From:      Dennis <dennis@etinc.com>
To:        "Kenneth D. Merry" <ken@kdm.org>
Cc:        isp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: AW: Best Gigabit ethernet for 4.x
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At 02:45 PM 03/24/2001, you wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 12:31:05 -0500, Dennis wrote:
> > At 05:04 PM 11/18/2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:
> > >On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 11:33:29 -0500, Dennis wrote:
> > > > At 04:28 PM 11/17/2000, Schmalzbauer, Harald wrote:
> > > > >I just heard that Intel doesn't supply documentation on ther chipset
> > > and the
> > > > >FreeBSD and Linux support is quiet bad. The Netgear GA620 is said 
> to be
> > > > >twice as fast. The same Chipset (Alteon Tigon/AceNIC) is on the 
> 3com985.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Are all of the cards supported that use this chipset? I read somewhere
> > > that
> > > > the netgear card has a smallish buffer, and that the alteon was a 
> better
> > > > choice. How does the 3com card compare in that respect?
> > >
> > >The Netgear boards have 512K SRAM, the 3Com boards have 1MB SRAM.
> > >
> > >You can get Alteon-branded boards (with either 512K or 1MB SRAM), but
> > >generally only directly from Alteon, and you're going to pay more than you
> > >would for either the 3Com or Netgear boards.
> > >
> > >The 3Com and Netgear boards are identical to the Alteon boards.  The only
> > >difference is they've got "Netgear" or "3Com" silk-screened on them, and
> > >the Alteon boards don't have any logos on them.
> > >
> > >FWIW, 3Com is buying Alteon's NIC group.  Apparantly (according to an
> > >Alteon engineer who posted on the linux-acenic list) they're just buying
> > >the technology, not hiring the engineers:
> >
> > When you say "identical", that implies that they are the same...or do you
> > just mean that they use the same parts? It seems unlikely that alteon 
> would
> > allow netgear to license its product and them sell it for 1/2 the price.
>
>Alteon evidently didn't want to undersell their OEMs.  I think most of
>their NIC business was via sales from Netgear, 3Com, etc., and not via
>direct sales of their own NICs.  (Which you could only buy direct from
>Alteon.)
>
>And the cards are pretty much the same, except that the Alteon boards
>generally have no identifying markings on them, whereas the Netgear and (I
>think) 3Com boards have the vendor's name silk-screened on the board.
>
> > Price is not an issue at this level as performance is tantamount, but Im
> > not sure you'd need more than 512M with unix unless you have several NICs
> > in a box.
>
>I'd like to see a Gigabit board with 512M. :)  Assuming you mean 512K,
>you're probably right, that would be sufficient in many situations.  The
>thing to remember is that you don't get the entire 512K for caching
>packets, since part of it (less than half) is used for the firmware and
>data structures.

If you put it on its own 64bit bus there will be no problems at all. I 
wouldnt use it on a shared 32-bit bus  however.

Dennis



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