Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:35:43 +0200 From: "Ralf S. Engelschall" <rse@engelschall.com> To: dwilde1@ibm.net Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SPECweb96 challenge Message-ID: <19980417193543.A14608@engelschall.com> In-Reply-To: <35376D98.7676B8AA@ibm.net>; from Don Wilde on Fri, Apr 17, 1998 at 07:56:24AM -0700 References: <35363396.CF5289F3@partsnow.com> <19980417123801.A9264@engelschall.com> <35376D98.7676B8AA@ibm.net>
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On Fri, Apr 17, 1998, Don Wilde wrote:
> > > > Novell Web Server Pushes Envelope
> > > >
> > > > Novell, Inc. reached a SPECweb96 benchmark of 1639 running
> > > > intraNetWare 4.11 on a single processor Compaq ProLiant 3000.
> > >[...]
> > > 1) Obtain SPECweb96 test guidelines
> > > 2) Obtain equivalent test platform hardware
> > > 3) Configure FreeBSD for max serving performance
> > > 4) Configure Apache for max serving performance
> > > 5) Run test
> > > 6) Promote results heavily!!!!!
> > >
> > > My best hardware is a PPro180 with 64MB, so I don't have a new enough machine,
> > > but I think this is exactly the kind of thing we FreeBSD advocates need to do to
> > > promote FreeBSD -- and get the IW's and NWW's and Byte's to acknowledge us. If
> > > we've got TBDOSITW, let's _prove_ it.
> >
> > There is only one point you missed: the SPECweb96 benchmark costs $800 :-(
>
> Between apache and freebsd we can't find $800? I'm going to ask Jordan
> if we can approach this from the central POV by putting out an official
> challenge call on the site and on -questions, -newbies and -chat, and
> where we can send the money. Ralf, will you find out the rest of the
> particulars as to what we need to actually perform a rigorous test that
> we can put side-by-side with the payware geeks?
>[...]
Beside from the fact that I currently don't have time for any such stuff (I'm
totally busy with Apache 1.3b6 and now 1.3b7) I'm not sure if your idea is
really useful. Benchmarks are problematic in _a lot of cases_ and the final
gain for FreeBSD+Apache is not obvious, IMHO. Everyone knows that we are doing
a great work with FreeBSD and a great work with Apache. And everyone knows
that both products work nicely together and form a powerful solution. But if a
SPECweb96 benchmark result really is worth the effort of $800 I'm not sure.
Instead I really think that a benchmark which costs $$ is a bogus one. It's
just there for making money instead of making good results. So, it would be
perhaps better to promote FreeBSD+Apache via other alternatives. But
nevertheless if someone contributes $800 and the hardware plus time to run
such a SPECweb96 benchmark with FreeBSD+Apache I'm interested in the results,
of course. But I think it is not worth the effort...
Greetings,
Ralf S. Engelschall
rse@engelschall.com
www.engelschall.com
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