From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 02:23:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A379916A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wbm5.pair.net (wbm5.pair.net [66.39.3.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDB6543D31 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from iang@iang.org) Received: (qmail 44345 invoked by uid 65534); 10 Dec 2004 02:23:42 -0000 Received: from 82.70.142.134 ([82.70.142.134]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user grigg@iang.org); by webmail5.pair.com with HTTP; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1789.82.70.142.134.1102645422.squirrel@82.70.142.134> In-Reply-To: <20041209224004.GA5608@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20041209223454.GA5460@xor.obsecurity.org> <20041209224004.GA5608@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:23:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Iang" To: "Kris Kennaway" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal cc: java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: linux-sun-jdk12 unfetchable X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: iang@iang.org List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 02:23:43 -0000 >> http://java.sun.com/webapps/download/Display?BundleId=9153 >> >> no longer works. Is this product still fetchable? >> >> Kris > > Same with j2sdkee13 and > > http://java.sun.com/webapps/download/Display?BundleId=9405 Sun has a very aggressive support calendar. From memory, once a release has been out for 6 months, the previous release is given a 6 month window, and after that it disappears from the site. They actually delete all the downloads. So, in effect, there is only a 12 month window to upgrade to the current release, before you get into all sorts of hot water. So I'd not be surprised if 1.3 was already gone, and also 1.4.1 is probably close to expiry as well; with the clock ticking on 1.4.2 as well. I think this is commercially insane, myself. It means that commercial suppliers of packages cannot in general support the Java releases that they are delivering to customers in any packaged form, as by the time it is rolled out, it's out of the 12 month window. But as a trend, tight windows are gathering force; Microsoft are now doing it too by ditching support for anything pre XP, so I don't see Sun backing off any time. (I read about this 2 months back in looking for a security file, which had gone ... breaking a whole platform ... but I'm not 100% clear on it: correct me if I'm wrong, anyone.) iang