From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 04:53:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4516116A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:53:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.server.rpi.edu (smtp3.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D1843D45; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:53:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp3.server.rpi.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iAT4rdXu003806; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:53:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041128.200206.114580739.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> <20041128.194040.04241039.imp@bsdimp.com> <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org> <20041128.200206.114580739.imp@bsdimp.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:53:38 -0500 To: "M. Warner Losh" , scottl@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosihn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam-scanning disabled X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: davidxu@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile loader.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:53:56 -0000 At 8:02 PM -0700 11/28/04, M. Warner Losh wrote: >In message: <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org> > Scott Long writes: >: M. Warner Losh wrote: >: > In message: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> >: > Scott Long writes: >: > : For those who think that ease-of-use is important, please >: > : accept my apologies. >: > >: > One could easily have a 'safeboot' command, which would disable >: > all the things that the safe boot menu item used to do. >: > >: > Warner >: >: safeboot isn't the same as 'disable acpi'. It was actually quite >: useful to disable ACPI but still leave ATA-DMA and SMP enabled. > >Agreed. A few wrappers would go a long way is all I'm saying.. A few wrappers would, in my opinion, be irrelevant. By the time someone tracks down what wrapper to type in, they might as well track down what full-blown commands to type in. The menu was an advantage when a user just installed some new kernel, and now their machine is having problems. That is not a good time to go reading web or man pages to try to figure out what magic words *might* be worth typing in. I admit that I would prefer a smaller (quicker-to-display) menu, but completely removing the menu seems (to me) to be a step backwards. However, I do notice that few people have objected to the menu being removed, so I guess I'll just leave the topic alone. But I will note that most users probably won't realize this change has even happened until their next clean-install of some future release... -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu