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Date:      Fri, 8 Nov 2002 06:49:16 -0500 (EST)
From:      Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net>
To:        current@FreeBSD.ORG, imp@bsdimp.com
Subject:   Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
Message-ID:  <200211081149.gA8BnGF5073259@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
In-Reply-To: <20021108.003935.11624259.imp@bsdimp.com>

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> From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov  8 02:45:04 2002
> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:39:35 -0700 (MST)
> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: [PATCH] note the __sF change in src/UPDATING
> From: "M. Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>
>
> In message: <200211072337.gA7NbK1m082069@arkadia.nv.cox.net>
>             Ray Kohler <ataraxia@cox.net> writes:
> : Hear hear, I agree. There's no need to expose what ought to be
> : "private" data to the world, especially when we can get the additional
> : benefit here of letting us play with the implementation.
>
> -current already does this.  The problem is that we're trying to shoot
> the bad access in the head, and that is what is screwing people.  So
> the problem isn't that we're trying to export private data to the
> world.  Quite the contrary, we're trying to eliminate it and having
> growing pains.

Exactly. That's why I'm arguing against putting __sF back (or
adopting equally crapulent measures). Growing pains are a necessary evil.
(I also agree that we probably ought to staticize any other things of
this nature while we're at it and get the pain over with.)

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