From owner-freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Mon Aug 22 18:51:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB49BC2C42 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1295D11BB for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from spork@bway.net) Received: from frankentosh.sporklab.com (pool-173-70-218-98.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [173.70.218.98]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: spork@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7401195878; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:51:13 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1471891873; bh=6x0Wqj5yT5OxP2gMIbrzdO2nqIXjwVW7dCAJsNPOSrM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=DIpnC5R6juEMpBZkK5AIFQF1VYAVevjAtyKJ8x2QcSlhN/voATlflSMxmTZebw+RU OEKkUXtTNc+hRqPQtsum75KhE3AFjlsuj3C7sOcSZ1rTascPF/f7EReaD7DVKveoi0 lTXFFZjPlvwvxB/G2s9FBlrdk2fTAI5JZKeYQobs= Subject: Re: Recommended HBA for ZFS, contemporary Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_076AD745-C99D-4C7B-A4ED-6398EE494B89"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail From: Charles Sprickman In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:51:12 -0400 Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Message-Id: <63B2949F-01C6-4465-A2D8-E4AA0FE0150C@bway.net> References: <306ccab3-4c78-751a-2258-54701a64ab4b@internetx.com> <41DE4DAA-B5E1-4BB9-AF54-780236A901EF@gmail.com> To: Karl Denninger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Filesystems List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:51:25 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_076AD745-C99D-4C7B-A4ED-6398EE494B89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Karl Denninger = wrote: >=20 > On 8/22/2016 13:38, Mike wrote: >> On 8/22/2016 2:36 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: >>> On 8/22/2016 13:34, Mike wrote: >>>> On 8/22/2016 12:18 PM, Ben RUBSON wrote: >>>>>> On 22 Aug 2016, at 18:14, InterNetX - Juergen Gotteswinter = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> LSI SAS 2008 Based HBA, there are dozens of OEM available for = Budget Prices >>>>> With the IT firmware. >>>> What's the significance of "IT firmware"? >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>> It's (slightly) faster, provided you don't turn on any of the other >>> stuff (which is always dumb with these adapters.) >> Does it come with the HBA board(s), needs to be purchased or = downloaded >> separately? > I've never gotten a card with it on it; I've always had to flash it. > Flashing these cards is a bit of a highwire act and can brick them, = but > I've never had it happen myself. With that said my real reason to = flash > all of mine is to have all of them on the same firmware just so I can > eliminate that as a possible contributor to problems if one starts > acting up and the others are not. It's more of a "good practice" = thing > than a need IMHO; it's not a lot of fun to try to run down a problem > only to find out after much hair has been pulled out of one's own head > that the problem is bad firmware on a board! >> Total noob here who wants to move my ZFS server disks off the >> motherboard SATA ports. :) >>=20 This is all a bit crazy. Is the LSI series of HBAs really the only = choice outside of onboard controllers? It seems like they are troublesome, = support is spotty, and this whole flashing process gives me nightmares. Also personally, with the few boards I=92ve seen with built-in LSI = adapters have always been a little wonky compared to their non-LSI counterparts. Is this all just the end-result of LSI basically buying up everyone? Charles >=20 > -- > Karl Denninger > karl@denninger.net > /The Market Ticker/ > /[S/MIME encrypted email preferred]/ --Apple-Mail=_076AD745-C99D-4C7B-A4ED-6398EE494B89 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXu0mhAAoJEMfwH0dqLIp2mqcH/3EJLcFBcmmzfPamY6NLuimp Esl+l1DLWqkmo/cHgo8rurYEdJiYu9W+3Hx4yRVsDBnJt60FGilSs2yUUGJevEKt sUvSkRdV6JS9ZIMpO04bQxDpo7d5IjvOFp6zQfnzlTY5u+NVT1ITm3/VRh3UXS6J jJSPk8QD9kBJJaS9lWWREuRQtwr47xFYqUYv06IdRiqTdQxo9LxOu/sbZ8Bds7QT J/QY6r2DmMjMU+XKRjhmK/l/AYPLVf0zX7ktxcuLlVDntRcMccfIEvgRkNyJFXH0 Yz03MgEHcnOyjLBr2FW7CEZDFb73zxQq/Bq2c53xDjAe7cHaD89gTS27yR0PnTk= =dnfo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_076AD745-C99D-4C7B-A4ED-6398EE494B89--