From owner-cvs-all Sat Jan 13 14: 4: 5 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (placeholder-dcat-1076843399.broadbandoffice.net [64.47.83.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627CE37B401; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f0DM3R935732; Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:03:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 14:03:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200101132203.f0DM3R935732@earth.backplane.com> To: Mark Murray Cc: Robert Watson , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc crontab rc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.root.dist src/libexec Makefile src/libexec/save-entropy Makefile save-entropy.sh References: <200101132110.f0DLAsp34762@earth.backplane.com> <200101132133.f0DLXnI21405@gratis.grondar.za> Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :> The *DEFAULT* has to guarentee proper operation. Rather then forcing :> sysadmins to turn on the option when things break, the option should :> be turned on by default and sysadmins who are paranoid about the :> random number generator can turn it off. : :Whatever, Matt. : :The default goes in the fucking rc.conf file. : :Now kill this bikeshed, PLEASE!!! : :M :-- :Mark Murray :Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn The system had damn well have a reasonable default, regardless of what is in /etc/rc.conf or /etc/defaults/rc.conf. If you don't put it in, I will. It is simply not appropriate to commit code that can stall the system on boot. It is far more important to ensure that that DOES NOT HAPPEN then it is to be paranoid about cryptographically secure random numbers. Don't make the defaults ass-backwards, all you will do is hang up some poor sod who will wind up spending a dozen man hours trying to figure out why his computer won't boot. This bikeshed isn't going to go away until you people screw your heads on right and make commits that don't create havoc with other developers. It is NOT NECESSARY do that kind of shit to test your random number device code. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message