Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:08:53 -0500 From: "Steve Friedrich" <SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com> To: "Neil Blakey-Milner" <nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za> Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: building ports thru a firewall Message-ID: <199808271610.MAA30663@laker.net>
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On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:40:25 +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: >On Thu 1998-08-27 (09:23), Steve Friedrich wrote: >> Besides, some of these newer mailers have some really cool features, >> even if your older mailer doesn't support them, such as html >> formatting. This is way cool. Are you guys throwing stones at it >> merely because your mailer doesn't support that feature ?? Shame on >> you. You remind me of senile citizens. > >I think most of us use console-mode mailers, simply because they're faster >and easier to use than their graphical equivalents. We further don't need >HTML formatting in our mails, we can express ourselves pretty well with >words, most of the time, and if we really wanted HTML formatting to express >something, we'd give a URL to a web page, since that is where HTML belongs. Actually, URLs are the only html formatting appearing in my emails... I am somewhat surprised that the majority aren't using a X windows mail program.... > >> Instead of whining about the newest features, you should try to >> incorporate these into unix programs and do them at least one better. > >Incorporating HTML formatting into a text-mode client is rather silly, for >the most part. Incorporating HTML formatting into a graphical client would >be a much better idea, and there is work being done in this area. For now, >however, I think that when we, as FreeBSD users, talking amongst ourselves, >and with people interested in our Operating System (and it's an amazing one, >at that), we'd prefer to talk in words and not a whole bunch of tags telling >us what colour backgrounds to use, or text colouring and effects to produce. Please don't continue to think that "FreeBSD users" are people that use FreeBSD exclusively. I've installed two machines at home with FreeBSD, but I'm still using PMMail on NT and OS/2, like I have for the last several years. When I had seen Greg mention html is for web pages, not email, I was specifically interested in defending URLs appearing in email. You're mailers may support URL tage without supporting html, but on other platforms/mailers, most people got both capabilities at once, I believe, since their in a graphical env. Let me get on my soapbox, just for a moment, and then I'll stop: If you want to get FreeBSD into shops where they are biased towards BillGatesWare, try the following: 1. See if they'd like to turn an old 486/33 into a PPP Internet link that can be shared by everyone in the office, instead of buying MODEMs for everybody. If they need more bandwidth than a V.90 MODEM can handle, configure an ISDN link. 2. See if they's like a DNS that can cache names from the Internet and resolve all local names as well. 3. See if they'd like a free web server, for a local intranet, that could later easily be hooked into the Internet 4. See if they'd like a firewall made from older machines, no longer viable as desktop GUI platforms. There are many, many more opportunities. Instead of bashing Microsuk, let's convert people. Little by little. Painless and stable. Viva la FreeBSD... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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