From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 1 13:51:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBF516A4CE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from perrin.nxad.com (internal.nxad.com [69.1.70.251]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8608F43FDF; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:50:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@nxad.com) Received: by perrin.nxad.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8427B2106B; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:48:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:48:59 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20031201214859.GD9042@perrin.nxad.com> References: <20031201032205.GA41354@dragon.nuxi.com> <20031201044017.GA42037@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031201044017.GA42037@dragon.nuxi.com> X-PGP-Key: finger seanc@FreeBSD.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3849 3760 1AFE 7B17 11A0 83A6 DD99 E31F BC84 B341 X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/scripts print-cdrom-packages.sh X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:51:10 -0000 [CC list trimmed] > We really need to decide if disc1 is for servers or desktops. We've > been able to kind-of do both for a while now. But I think we're at > the point of having to make that hard decision. > > Server guys really want vim-lite as it doesn't require X11. Desktop > guys really want vim so they get the GUI. Seriously we're only > talking 2MB here; how in the world much as KDE and GNOME bloatware > pigged out since 5.1-RELEASE? Server guys have a net connection 99/100 times, while desktops don't necessarily. Being primarily a "server guy," I'd hate to see server bits being removed, but for all intents and purposes, I can't think of a single instance where an HTTP/FTP proxy, NAT, or net connection isn't available for me while installing a server. And even then, in a server environment, I don't generally want to run stale ports/ in a multi-user environment in the event of a security update since the last release was cut. That said, I generally fall back to updating ports. with CVSup before installing anyway, which makes having the packages available pretty worthless to me with my "server guy" hat on. Desktops, on the other hand, are often connected with a modem/DSL/cable, so keeping disk1 desktop focused would certainly help increase the usability and thus the number of seats that FreeBSD occupies. If a server guy wants a faster installing server disk, they need to be pointed in the PXE direction anyway. -sc -- Sean Chittenden