From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 23 7:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from micro-mania.net (micro1.micro-mania.net [204.214.90.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EC337B42C for ; Wed, 23 May 2001 07:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zwade@micro-mania.net) Received: from micro-mania.net [204.214.90.149] by micro-mania.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC337400FC; Wed, 23 May 2001 08:41:55 -0600 Message-ID: <3B0BCA05.B1D03477@micro-mania.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:32:42 -0600 From: zwade X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i486) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies Subject: Re: ExBSD References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010513033434.A54250@xor.obsecurity.org> <3B001679.3172B050@acuson.com> <3B00E <3B02EBCA.B29A2C4F@acuson.com> <014301c0e249$debd93f0$0300a8c0@oracle> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote: > >From my point of view (having done a few hundred FreeBSD installs) > there isn't much to pick from between Windows & FreeBSD installation. > The difficulty comes trying to configure X / sound / printers / ppp / > etc. > > There are two factors here ... firstly, the original use of unix > appears to have been as a research / development tool rather than as a > mass market desktop / gameplaying platform. Developers & other > assorted geeks will accept horribly user hostile things like vi, lpr, > X, ppp, etc, that certainly couldn't be described as "user friendly" > to non-experienced users. I'm not suggesting FreeBSD can be (or > should be) suitable for everyone ... there are even countless "levels > of enlightenment" within the faithful. I'm quite impressed by its > performance for webservers etc, but I couldn't imagine using FreeBSD > in its current form as a workstation. For those of us wanting > relatively basic functionality, X is a useless poxridden waste of > space, vi is an exercise in needless complexity, lpr is an extremely > messy abortion etc etc. > Hello, I've been resisting the urge to say something. I can resist no longer. A couple of days ago I had my first experience with Sed. It took several hours to read the book, decide the regular expression syntax to use, write the scripts, then test them, and then....finally. YAHOOOOO!! Damn, I jumped up and down. I yelled. I called people on the phone and told them of this cool thing I had done. No, not one of them knew anything about Sed. They said, "oh? that's nice." But I knew. True, it took lots of time to learn. I don't know how much time it would have taken to make these global edits to the dozens of files I changed. But the euphoric culmination of all those efforts was far greater than anything I'd ever experienced with Winblows FAT systems. Just thought I'd share that with ya. I've been using Linux for years. I am now about to migrate to freeBSD. Have a nice day! Z. Wade Hampton -- My Cyber Space Home page: http://www.micro-mania.net/zwade UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven. --------------19D6FE065C9A478C03B3BF8B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote:
>From my point of view (having done a few hundred FreeBSD installs)
there isn't much to pick from between Windows & FreeBSD installation.
The difficulty comes trying to configure X / sound / printers / ppp /
etc.

There are two factors here ... firstly, the original use of unix
appears to have been as a research / development tool rather than as a
mass market desktop / gameplaying platform. Developers & other
assorted geeks will accept horribly user hostile things like vi, lpr,
X, ppp, etc, that certainly couldn't be described as "user friendly"
to non-experienced users.  I'm not suggesting FreeBSD can be (or
should be) suitable for everyone ...  there are even countless "levels
of enlightenment" within the faithful. I'm quite impressed by its
performance for webservers etc, but I couldn't imagine using FreeBSD
in its current form as a workstation. For those of us wanting
relatively basic functionality, X is a useless poxridden waste of
space,  vi is an exercise in needless complexity, lpr is an extremely
messy abortion etc etc.
 

Hello,
I've been resisting the urge to say something.
I can resist no longer.
A couple of days ago I had my first experience with Sed.
It took several hours to read the book, decide the
regular expression syntax to use, write the scripts,
then test them, and then....finally.
YAHOOOOO!!
Damn, I jumped up and down.  I yelled.  I called people on
the phone and told them of this cool thing I had
done.
No, not one of them knew anything about Sed.
They said, "oh? that's nice."  But I knew.
True, it took lots of time to learn.  I don't know
how much time it would have taken to make these global
edits to the dozens of files I changed.
But the euphoric culmination of all those efforts
was far greater than anything I'd ever experienced
with Winblows FAT systems.
Just thought I'd share that with ya.
I've been using Linux for years.  I am now about to
migrate to freeBSD.
Have a nice day!
Z. Wade Hampton
-- 
My Cyber Space Home page:
http://www.micro-mania.net/zwade

UNIX is the Operating System of choice in Heaven.
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